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The "stagnation" argument is probably specifically about productivity growth, which is best documented by Robert Gordon: https://www.nber.org/papers/w18315 htt
by md_ 6y ago
The "stagnation" argument is probably specifically about productivity growth, which is best documented by Robert Gordon:
https://www.nber.org/papers/w18315 https://www.nber.org/papers/w18315
https://www.nber.org/papers/w24554 https://www.nber.org/papers/w24554
https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691175805/the-rise-and-fall-of-american-growth https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691175805/th...
The above are strictly American phenomena, though similar trends exist elsewhere in the world. Gordon also claims that these trends are most visible in the US, since the US is in many ways at the vanguard of technology-driven productivity growth; other economists have well documented that GDP growth is highest among economies playing "catch up" (which is why, in bull markets, developing markets often have far greater growth than developed markets).
I don't have them on hand, but there are some interesting papers on the "cost of innovation", some of which have recently been on HN. The estimated ROI (measured by cost-per-patent or cost-per-new-pharmaceutical development, for example) is claimed to be declining. (See https://hbr.org/2019/11/why-the-u-s-innovation-ecosystem-is-slowing-down https://hbr.org/2019/11/why-the-u-s-innovation-ecosystem-is-... for a summary.)
To your specific examples:
* Life expectancy increased primarily due to widespread vaccination and better public health (e.g. clean drinking water, pasteurization). These are "one time" gains; the efficacy and returns (in terms of QUALYs) on investment in new health technologies have been much lower in the last few decades, which leads one to wonder if the low-hanging fruit have been plucked.
* Use of space has had some meaningful productivity gains (like GPS, mass wireless communications, or cheaper areal surveillance), but, again, these seem to be declining returns; it's not clear that we possess the technical means to make interplanetary travel economically viable, so this seems analogous to an observation of Gordon's that I love: that in 1960 you could get between NYC and San Francisco in about 6 hours, and today, you can do so in about 6 hours.
Interestingly, I disagree with the authors of this essay in exactly the opposite direction you do: I think the "Great Stagnation" is real, and I think their "innovations" are underwhelming. (So I can wear a screen on my face instead of holding it in my hands? Big deal!)
Ray Kurzweil somewhat famously suffers from a severe recency bias when he claims increasing rates of innovation: to him, the change from (say) iron to steel is kind of minor, but the change from analog to digital TV—that's a big deal!
I feel these authors make a similar error. In 100 years, I don't think many people are going to care deeply about when we came up with the Oculus.
- sudosysgen 6y agoI agree with your point. That being said, something to be said about the decreasing ROI of R&D - There is evidence that the rate of return of all capital investment is going down slowly since the 50s, in the US.
- md_ 6y agoHmm, but how do you know that rates of return on capital in general aren't declining simply because of reductions in productivity growth or decreased innovation? I'm not even clear on causality here—if return on capital goes down, maybe people choose less productive investments, which leads to less innovation and less development of new productivity drivers? Anyway, I have not seen the claim that return on capital is declining. https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/wp2017-25.pdf https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/wp2017-25.pdf (first Google result ;) ) doesn't seem to indicate that. Got a link? I'm curious to read... :)
- sudosysgen 6y agoThe issue with that paper is that it takes into account the rate of return of everything, not just capital. From the studies I've read, the decline in capital returns has been compensated for by increase in rents, capital gains, and increase in housing value. It also takes into account all countries, instead of just the US. So in the end it's not really relevant to the rate of return on capital, because they don't even make an attempt to evaluate it - the closest they get is equity, but then they count capital gains and have incomplete dividend data. It's not immediately clear that increases in productivity growth or increases in innovation would necessarily lead to increase in returns - because if everyone innovates, you won't be able to transform those into increased profit easily. There's only a few dozen studies on the return of capital, instead of general returns, and they tend to be made by heterodox economists, but they are correct and peer-reviewed, such as this one : https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0486613411423899 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/04866134114238...
- md_ 6y ago