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> The government doesn't have any incentive stopping crime, it just relies on the good will of policemen and their limited resources. If people complain because

> The government doesn't have any incentive stopping crime, it just relies on the good will of policemen and their limited resources. If people complain because there is too much crime, they just have one more reason to increase taxes and do nothing. This made me laugh out loud, so I guess you managed your objective (I'm referring to your nick)

me_me_me 6y ago
I am not sure if that was a joke post or another libertarian purist. I swear, the pure communism is more believable as a system that could work than pure libertarian. Any we all know pure communism works only for ants.
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  The problem with communism is that for (what communists call) real communism you need individual to give up private ownership and share everything, including their labor. In practice, the chance of every individual complying is extremely low, which forces a strong central government to actually enforce "communism". You end up with the mass massacres and poor living conditions of last century. We never attempted a pure libertarian system in which all services (including health care, personal protection, justice, lawmaking) are provided by companies you can choose to buy from or not, voluntarily. Until we make that experiment is hard to speculate on what's going to happen. I don't think it would be much different from what we have today, we just would have less bureaucracy, we won't have a central government taking a fee for everything that happens, people would be free to live how they want and we would have a dynamic consumer based set of laws. That said, even moving the current system in the libertarian or communist direction cause the system to perform better and worse. Look at China and how they used capitalism to drastically improve their economy and improve living conditions for people (albeit I doubt they were aiming for that).
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    That's seen by some as a naïve view. Those with money would get services; the masses could get little or nothing. No interstate highway system. No commercial code. No free commerce between states. Police paid for by the rich (and crooked in many cases). And on and on.
  - me_me_me 6y ago
    Enjoy eating asbestos burgers and lead laced cola. Insider trading and whole hull house of exploits that are now barely held back by regulations. You must be blind to not see how current system is currently exploiting democracy and technology information era, I dread what would happen if they were to run free and unchecked. Imagine for a second scenario, you got jumped on the street and stabbed you are bleeding and need help fast. You call ambulance, street cameras see you are bleeding... Yes sir we can be there in 3min it will be $50,000 for ambulance, without it you will die. You call another ambulance company, they say same thing. Of course they are in the syndicate fixing prices its not illegal. Tell me how in a pure libertarian society this wouldn't end up being the case.
jokethrowaway 6y ago
I'd love to hear an argument against it :) Once the promise of defending the people is done (presumably in part to justify the existence of the government in the first place) the government doesn't have an incentive to stop or persecute crime which has already happened. Deterring potential criminals with random patrols and showing up when called is enough. A twitch streamer (SweetAnita) recently had problems with a stalker caught going to her house with a knife. Despite the police looking for him to question him for an unrelated assault he committed in public, and despite finding him with a knife a few minutes from Anita's house, the police released him. Could it be because of bureaucracy or occupancy issues in jails? Maybe! My point still stand, I'd prefer a private insurance firm defending me.

me_me_me 6y ago

I am not sure if that was a joke post or another libertarian purist. I swear, the pure communism is more believable as a system that could work than pure libertarian. Any we all know pure communism works only for ants.

jokethrowaway 6y ago
The problem with communism is that for (what communists call) real communism you need individual to give up private ownership and share everything, including their labor. In practice, the chance of every individual complying is extremely low, which forces a strong central government to actually enforce "communism". You end up with the mass massacres and poor living conditions of last century. We never attempted a pure libertarian system in which all services (including health care, personal protection, justice, lawmaking) are provided by companies you can choose to buy from or not, voluntarily. Until we make that experiment is hard to speculate on what's going to happen. I don't think it would be much different from what we have today, we just would have less bureaucracy, we won't have a central government taking a fee for everything that happens, people would be free to live how they want and we would have a dynamic consumer based set of laws. That said, even moving the current system in the libertarian or communist direction cause the system to perform better and worse. Look at China and how they used capitalism to drastically improve their economy and improve living conditions for people (albeit I doubt they were aiming for that).
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  That's seen by some as a naïve view. Those with money would get services; the masses could get little or nothing. No interstate highway system. No commercial code. No free commerce between states. Police paid for by the rich (and crooked in many cases). And on and on.
- me_me_me 6y ago
  Enjoy eating asbestos burgers and lead laced cola. Insider trading and whole hull house of exploits that are now barely held back by regulations. You must be blind to not see how current system is currently exploiting democracy and technology information era, I dread what would happen if they were to run free and unchecked. Imagine for a second scenario, you got jumped on the street and stabbed you are bleeding and need help fast. You call ambulance, street cameras see you are bleeding... Yes sir we can be there in 3min it will be $50,000 for ambulance, without it you will die. You call another ambulance company, they say same thing. Of course they are in the syndicate fixing prices its not illegal. Tell me how in a pure libertarian society this wouldn't end up being the case.

jokethrowaway 6y ago

I'd love to hear an argument against it :) Once the promise of defending the people is done (presumably in part to justify the existence of the government in the first place) the government doesn't have an incentive to stop or persecute crime which has already happened. Deterring potential criminals with random patrols and showing up when called is enough. A twitch streamer (SweetAnita) recently had problems with a stalker caught going to her house with a knife. Despite the police looking for him to question him for an unrelated assault he committed in public, and despite finding him with a knife a few minutes from Anita's house, the police released him. Could it be because of bureaucracy or occupancy issues in jails? Maybe! My point still stand, I'd prefer a private insurance firm defending me.