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Only because the state is throwing money at it like crazy. No taxes on EVs. Subsidies to the tune of 10000€. Per private purchase. There are certain types of lo

by 2ion 6y ago

Only because the state is throwing money at it like crazy. No taxes on EVs. Subsidies to the tune of 10000€. Per private purchase. There are certain types of lower end EV (like Renault Zoe) that can be purchased effectively for nearly free right now.

polytely 6y ago
>the state is throwing money at it like crazy. which state? this article is about europe as a whole? >No taxes on EVs. Subsidies to the tune of 10000€. Per private purchase. There are certain types of lower end EV (like Renault Zoe) that can be purchased effectively for nearly free right now. big if true, please point me towards this subsidy because I would like a free car
- zaarn 6y ago
  I think OP forgets that most car prices already have subsidies factored in.
- ihalip 6y ago
  In Romania, we have a gov-funded program[1] that subsidizes up to ~9300€ off the price (but not more than 50% of its price) of a new electric/hybrid car, when you trade in an old car. Some conditions apply. [1] https://www.afm.ro/vehicule_electrice.php https://www.afm.ro/vehicule_electrice.php
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
    To give some idea - that's roughly twice the annual average household income in Romania.
  - prostanac 6y ago
    > when you trade in an old car. nitpick. there are two programs. "rabla plus", the 9300 euro one, applies regardless. you can receive an additional 1300 euros through the "rabla" program if you trade in a car (which will be discarded to the junk yard). this second subsidy applies to any new car purchase.
    - ihalip 6y ago
      Oh, didn't know that - not looking to buy an electric car just yet so I didn't bother to gather all details. Thanks.
toomuchtodo 6y ago
No one (or rather, very few, where a carbon tax exists) is paying for the externalities of burning fossil fuels (a subsidy), and jurisdictions are rapidly moving to outlaw new combustion vehicle sales (California by 2035, the UK by 2030, etc). If enough jurisdictions enact a hard deadline ban, automakers will have no choice but to rapidly retool for EV only manufacturing. We’re right at the precipice of the inflection point. Pushing for these deadlines in a few more large markets will push us over the edge. Obligatory ask: If this is important to you, contact your government representatives and demand a timetable for combustion vehicle phaseout in your jurisdiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...
- jhoechtl 6y ago
  It's because the current car industry and all of its supply chains are so dead crazy efficient, that the government can no longer squeeze any taxes out of the business without disrupting the circle. Therefore a new, way more inneficient industry is required, which will become very efficient of course over time. Otherwise there would be no growth, measured in GDP. There is no profit in commodity unless you are a monopolist. Which the car industry given the large-scalre mergers of the past is increasingly becoming.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    I don’t think this is the case. Imho, it’s a matter of EVs requiring fewer moving parts and much less labor for manufacturing and ongoing maintenance, which is going to cannibalize existing organizations, supply chains, labor arrangements, etc (not to mention related job losses in petroleum supply chains as demand for vehicles wanes). This, in turn, will cause government to have to do “real work” to manage the transition (so that you can attrition citizens out at a rate where you’re balancing cost to the nation against quality of life for those who don’t have a career path anymore). Very similar to the coal industry phasing out. It’s going to be beautiful for the planet and humanity, but devastating to entrenched interests.
- gohbgl 6y ago
  People are paying for negative externalities of burning fossil fuel by paying taxes on gas.
wukerplank 6y ago
You make it sound like that's a bad thing. If my city becomes Diesel free in the next few years I won't ask where the money came from.
- dschuler 6y ago
  Probably for the best, since it will come from your pocket. Diesel was getting phased out anyway, you can see that in the chart by the bump in gasoline vehicles.

by 2ion 6y ago

polytely 6y ago

>the state is throwing money at it like crazy. which state? this article is about europe as a whole? >No taxes on EVs. Subsidies to the tune of 10000€. Per private purchase. There are certain types of lower end EV (like Renault Zoe) that can be purchased effectively for nearly free right now. big if true, please point me towards this subsidy because I would like a free car

zaarn 6y ago
I think OP forgets that most car prices already have subsidies factored in.
ihalip 6y ago
In Romania, we have a gov-funded program[1] that subsidizes up to ~9300€ off the price (but not more than 50% of its price) of a new electric/hybrid car, when you trade in an old car. Some conditions apply. [1] https://www.afm.ro/vehicule_electrice.php https://www.afm.ro/vehicule_electrice.php
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
  To give some idea - that's roughly twice the annual average household income in Romania.
- prostanac 6y ago
  > when you trade in an old car. nitpick. there are two programs. "rabla plus", the 9300 euro one, applies regardless. you can receive an additional 1300 euros through the "rabla" program if you trade in a car (which will be discarded to the junk yard). this second subsidy applies to any new car purchase.
  - ihalip 6y ago
    Oh, didn't know that - not looking to buy an electric car just yet so I didn't bother to gather all details. Thanks.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

No one (or rather, very few, where a carbon tax exists) is paying for the externalities of burning fossil fuels (a subsidy), and jurisdictions are rapidly moving to outlaw new combustion vehicle sales (California by 2035, the UK by 2030, etc). If enough jurisdictions enact a hard deadline ban, automakers will have no choice but to rapidly retool for EV only manufacturing. We’re right at the precipice of the inflection point. Pushing for these deadlines in a few more large markets will push us over the edge. Obligatory ask: If this is important to you, contact your government representatives and demand a timetable for combustion vehicle phaseout in your jurisdiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...

jhoechtl 6y ago
It's because the current car industry and all of its supply chains are so dead crazy efficient, that the government can no longer squeeze any taxes out of the business without disrupting the circle. Therefore a new, way more inneficient industry is required, which will become very efficient of course over time. Otherwise there would be no growth, measured in GDP. There is no profit in commodity unless you are a monopolist. Which the car industry given the large-scalre mergers of the past is increasingly becoming.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  I don’t think this is the case. Imho, it’s a matter of EVs requiring fewer moving parts and much less labor for manufacturing and ongoing maintenance, which is going to cannibalize existing organizations, supply chains, labor arrangements, etc (not to mention related job losses in petroleum supply chains as demand for vehicles wanes). This, in turn, will cause government to have to do “real work” to manage the transition (so that you can attrition citizens out at a rate where you’re balancing cost to the nation against quality of life for those who don’t have a career path anymore). Very similar to the coal industry phasing out. It’s going to be beautiful for the planet and humanity, but devastating to entrenched interests.
gohbgl 6y ago
People are paying for negative externalities of burning fossil fuel by paying taxes on gas.

wukerplank 6y ago

You make it sound like that's a bad thing. If my city becomes Diesel free in the next few years I won't ask where the money came from.

dschuler 6y ago
Probably for the best, since it will come from your pocket. Diesel was getting phased out anyway, you can see that in the chart by the bump in gasoline vehicles.