Fair enough. I think it's unfortunate though that discussions like this will seldom produce a good or convincing example as much as I agree it would be good to

Fair enough. I think it's unfortunate though that discussions like this will seldom produce a good or convincing example as much as I agree it would be good to have them. The issue as I see is that people with balanced and nuanced views and an appreciation of the complexity of the matter will just not bother participating in the discussion. Instead, we'll hear from people with the most extreme or emotionally driven views and they'll tend to pick unconvincing examples-- even if there are better examples to be had.