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I’m skeptical. I’ve worked with the NYT on a few stories; they’re incredibly thorough, and don’t publish unsubstantiated trash.

barry-cotter 6y ago
> If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. Cardinal Richelieu There’s no need to lie in a hit piece. You can select your material, shade the truth and quote people who hate your subject on their opinions. Lying leaves you open to libel and slander too.
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  "Hit piece" is in and of itself a framing that clearly has a bias toward one side. Was the reporting from multiple outlets on Theranos a series of hit pieces? They were all negative, but that doesn't mean they were wrong. Coinbase has preemptively presented their side of the story in an effort to make us all say "oh, yeah, that's the hit piece we were warned about," but we haven't actually seen the other side of the story yet.
  - akhilcacharya 6y ago
    Tim Draper absolutely called the Carreyou articles hit pieces, and I'm fairly certain still believes that.
  - barry-cotter 6y ago
    All framing has bias. That’s standpoint theory in four words. It’s entirely possible the NYT reporter working on the piece about CoinBase feels they are being scrupulously honest and that anyone who reviewed their notes, interviews and background work would come to the same conclusions they do in the article. Not everyone would actually agree. People have divergent experiences and beliefs and will come to different conclusions based on exactly the same evidence because their prior beliefs are different.
    - JacobSuperslav 6y ago
      it all really depends on what happened there. some things are undefendable
jules-jules 6y ago
Like the case for the war with Iraq?
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
  If your best criticism is something that is old enough to finish college right around now, and ignores that the Times ran plenty of opposition to that war, maybe they aren’t as bad as you make them out to be?
  - AsyncAwait 6y ago
    > If your best criticism is something that is old enough to finish college right around now I mean Libya, Syria, Iran, Venezuela if 200k dead isn't enough for you.
  - ffggvv 6y ago
    like the russia hoax?
nailer 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair
ghthor 6y ago
Like that Iraq was full of WMD's to justify another US invasion in 2003. Don't publish trash, my *.
AsyncAwait 6y ago
> they’re incredibly thorough, and don’t publish unsubstantiated trash. Iraq, Libya etc. would like a word.
ffggvv 6y ago
they almost exclusively publish unsubstantiated trash
joijoiwejrr 6y ago
> They don't publish unsubstantiated trash Ever heard of the 1619 Project?

barry-cotter 6y ago

> If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. Cardinal Richelieu There’s no need to lie in a hit piece. You can select your material, shade the truth and quote people who hate your subject on their opinions. Lying leaves you open to libel and slander too.

chipotle_coyote 6y ago
"Hit piece" is in and of itself a framing that clearly has a bias toward one side. Was the reporting from multiple outlets on Theranos a series of hit pieces? They were all negative, but that doesn't mean they were wrong. Coinbase has preemptively presented their side of the story in an effort to make us all say "oh, yeah, that's the hit piece we were warned about," but we haven't actually seen the other side of the story yet.
- akhilcacharya 6y ago
  Tim Draper absolutely called the Carreyou articles hit pieces, and I'm fairly certain still believes that.
- barry-cotter 6y ago
  All framing has bias. That’s standpoint theory in four words. It’s entirely possible the NYT reporter working on the piece about CoinBase feels they are being scrupulously honest and that anyone who reviewed their notes, interviews and background work would come to the same conclusions they do in the article. Not everyone would actually agree. People have divergent experiences and beliefs and will come to different conclusions based on exactly the same evidence because their prior beliefs are different.
  - JacobSuperslav 6y ago
    it all really depends on what happened there. some things are undefendable

jules-jules 6y ago

Like the case for the war with Iraq?

IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
If your best criticism is something that is old enough to finish college right around now, and ignores that the Times ran plenty of opposition to that war, maybe they aren’t as bad as you make them out to be?
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > If your best criticism is something that is old enough to finish college right around now I mean Libya, Syria, Iran, Venezuela if 200k dead isn't enough for you.
- ffggvv 6y ago
  like the russia hoax?

nailer 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

ghthor 6y ago

Like that Iraq was full of WMD's to justify another US invasion in 2003. Don't publish trash, my *.

AsyncAwait 6y ago

> they’re incredibly thorough, and don’t publish unsubstantiated trash. Iraq, Libya etc. would like a word.

ffggvv 6y ago

they almost exclusively publish unsubstantiated trash

joijoiwejrr 6y ago

> They don't publish unsubstantiated trash Ever heard of the 1619 Project?