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> the inane choice to use RxJS despite literally no valid use cases We did the same at one company I worked for. It was a terrible decision. RxJS is one of th

> the inane choice to use RxJS despite literally no valid use cases We did the same at one company I worked for. It was a terrible decision. RxJS is one of those things that is fun to play with until you look down and it's cutting off your legs before you even felt it. Instead of simple AJAX calls when needed in places that are logical, your app turns into this hydra of events flowing everywhere and never knowing why anything is happening or where it's happening. RxJS is what happens when a Jenga tower makes love with a Rube Goldberg machine. And don't get me started on those damn marbles. We're writing goddamn CRUD webapps!!! We don't need marble diagrams for this. It's like that Mitch Hedberg joke about donut receipts. We don't need to introduce complexity into our simple life.

saurik 6y ago
Isn't the idea that if you edit something I'm looking at it would be nice if my view could automatically update? (FWIW, I would totally accept that I don't need that on a bug tracker and I probably am actually happier without it, but I can at least see the premise being interesting... being able to see point changes or user votes or comments as they happen; I do appreciate the extent to which GitHub's issue tracker automatically updates).
- lostcolony 6y ago
  Might be missing something, but how is this related? Is the assumption that this is what RxJS gives you? Because I mean...that's a websocket. And how you model the event, and handle it...is up to you. Don't need any library to help you unless you want one.
- larrik 6y ago
  As a heavy Jira user, I absolutely want my screen to update when someone else updates a ticket. That doesn't actually happen, though.
lifeisstillgood 6y ago
>>> is what happens when a Jenga tower makes love with a Rube Goldberg machine. And the Award for Metaphor of the week goes to ...
arthurcolle 6y ago
Their homepage is... interesting, to say the least. [0] [0] https://rxjs-dev.firebaseapp.com/ https://rxjs-dev.firebaseapp.com/
- rxsel 6y ago
  How so?
  - randycupertino 6y ago
    First of all, who does center alignment?? Looks tacky and amateurish. This isn't a flyer for your yard sale, it's a professional company's website. Secondly, it's great that they're involved and passionate on social justice issues, however I wouldn't lead with that as the landing page gives no idea what the company actually does, offers, or makes. Thirdly, when you click over to their team, it should identify their role instead of just letting you click to their socials. ^ just my quick first impressions!
- treeman79 6y ago
  Went to one of the conferences for rxjs. Some young woman was on stage demanding that all males need to apologize to women in tech. There were other incidents. Not a community I want to be involved in.
  - azangru 6y ago
    You are describing a typical atmosphere in the frontend and node community in general. You might find this account from several conferences in 2018-2019 amusing [0]. RxJS is in no way an outlier in this regard. [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUSk3ntbM3RNAxVs528-NM/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUS...
spaceribs 6y ago
Developers first introduced to RxJS hate the fact they have to think about the plumbing rather than the water... that is until they have to inner join 3 asynchronous sources of data and broadcast it out to their entire application.
- bzbz 6y ago
  Is this really a problem? Async/await makes async simple, and using a store like zustand gives you hooks and [g/s]etters out of the box.
  - spaceribs 6y ago
    Nothing wrong with Async/Await and zustand, the thing is that it doesn't maintain complexity as more sources are added, let me try to give you an example of the problem that Async/await solves versus what RxJS solves. Say I'm installing a toilet, I need to go out and buy one from the hardware store, remove the old toilet, install the new one, and finally test that it works. It's a linear process that could easily be constructed via a series of async/awaits, and I wouldn't use RxJS to model the behavior. Now, say I'm building a bathroom. You have a shower head, a sink, a toilet, light fixtures, power outlets, tiling, a door, and a window. You have a bunch of contractors. Now you're dealing with N number of sources, N number of tasks that can possibly done in parallel, and N number of possible things you could do in that bathroom depending on how much the bathroom is finished (for instance, if just the plumbing, floor and sink are complete, I can wash my hands) This was always a hard problem, and not one that is especially appreciated, but I can tell you from experience that attempting to just use promises or async/await is not a scalable pattern.
treeman79 6y ago
Oh crude. Had one jQuery Developer be replaced with two 5 man teams so we could Use RXJS. Took a year for the first feature to be released. Not product, just a new page on the app.

saurik 6y ago

Isn't the idea that if you edit something I'm looking at it would be nice if my view could automatically update? (FWIW, I would totally accept that I don't need that on a bug tracker and I probably am actually happier without it, but I can at least see the premise being interesting... being able to see point changes or user votes or comments as they happen; I do appreciate the extent to which GitHub's issue tracker automatically updates).

lostcolony 6y ago
Might be missing something, but how is this related? Is the assumption that this is what RxJS gives you? Because I mean...that's a websocket. And how you model the event, and handle it...is up to you. Don't need any library to help you unless you want one.
larrik 6y ago
As a heavy Jira user, I absolutely want my screen to update when someone else updates a ticket. That doesn't actually happen, though.

lifeisstillgood 6y ago

>>> is what happens when a Jenga tower makes love with a Rube Goldberg machine. And the Award for Metaphor of the week goes to ...

arthurcolle 6y ago

Their homepage is... interesting, to say the least. [0] [0] https://rxjs-dev.firebaseapp.com/ https://rxjs-dev.firebaseapp.com/

rxsel 6y ago
How so?
- randycupertino 6y ago
  First of all, who does center alignment?? Looks tacky and amateurish. This isn't a flyer for your yard sale, it's a professional company's website. Secondly, it's great that they're involved and passionate on social justice issues, however I wouldn't lead with that as the landing page gives no idea what the company actually does, offers, or makes. Thirdly, when you click over to their team, it should identify their role instead of just letting you click to their socials. ^ just my quick first impressions!
treeman79 6y ago
Went to one of the conferences for rxjs. Some young woman was on stage demanding that all males need to apologize to women in tech. There were other incidents. Not a community I want to be involved in.
- azangru 6y ago
  You are describing a typical atmosphere in the frontend and node community in general. You might find this account from several conferences in 2018-2019 amusing [0]. RxJS is in no way an outlier in this regard. [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUSk3ntbM3RNAxVs528-NM/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUS...

spaceribs 6y ago

Developers first introduced to RxJS hate the fact they have to think about the plumbing rather than the water... that is until they have to inner join 3 asynchronous sources of data and broadcast it out to their entire application.

bzbz 6y ago
Is this really a problem? Async/await makes async simple, and using a store like zustand gives you hooks and [g/s]etters out of the box.
- spaceribs 6y ago
  Nothing wrong with Async/Await and zustand, the thing is that it doesn't maintain complexity as more sources are added, let me try to give you an example of the problem that Async/await solves versus what RxJS solves. Say I'm installing a toilet, I need to go out and buy one from the hardware store, remove the old toilet, install the new one, and finally test that it works. It's a linear process that could easily be constructed via a series of async/awaits, and I wouldn't use RxJS to model the behavior. Now, say I'm building a bathroom. You have a shower head, a sink, a toilet, light fixtures, power outlets, tiling, a door, and a window. You have a bunch of contractors. Now you're dealing with N number of sources, N number of tasks that can possibly done in parallel, and N number of possible things you could do in that bathroom depending on how much the bathroom is finished (for instance, if just the plumbing, floor and sink are complete, I can wash my hands) This was always a hard problem, and not one that is especially appreciated, but I can tell you from experience that attempting to just use promises or async/await is not a scalable pattern.

treeman79 6y ago

Oh crude. Had one jQuery Developer be replaced with two 5 man teams so we could Use RXJS. Took a year for the first feature to be released. Not product, just a new page on the app.