5 ms·
YouTube suspends and demonetizes One America News Network over Covid-19 video
- zackees 6y agoPathetic that YouTube would do this.
- jowsie 6y agoCare to explain why you feel this way?
- zackees 6y agoGo refer to their mission statement: "organize the worlds information and make it universally accessible and useful".
- shakna 6y ago> Additionally, due to repeated violations of our COVID-19 misinformation policy and other channel monetization policies, we’ve suspended the channel from the YouTube Partner Program and as a result, its monetization on YouTube. It seems that their mission statement is not in conflict with their approach in this matter. Information, rather than disinformation.
- redflame7 6y agoOh would you people please stop pretending like we understand this pandemic perfectly and all it will take is masks and 6ft of space to make it disappear. It’s ALL speculation, no one has the perfect solution, they’re just opinions. Stop confusing multiple opinions as fact.
- shakna 6y agoThe video that was taken down and resulted in the strike was a claim that a guaranteed vaccine existed. It sounds like you would also disagree with that claim, and believe it to be misinformation, as YouTube did, in this case.
- blueflame7 6y agoWho cares? There’s a billion youtube videos with misinformation on them? Spoiler alert some textbooks are wrong too... If you can’t see this is a means to silence opposition rather than engage in open debate then you’re crazy naive or willfully ignorant. If you can control the topics of conversation, you can control just about everything. No one has that right. No one know’s better than others. It’s pure arrogance whenever you start to think about doing things because other’s might not be as smart as you
- DarknessFalls 6y agoStop confusing scientific consensus as "multiple opinions". You are muddying the waters to shove your right-wing indoctrinated crap in front of people.
- paintstripper 6y agoyeah, information. Not disinformation.
- cannedslime 6y agoYou don't find it just a little dystopian that the biggest player in information exchange has begun to act like the arbiter of truth?
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- fluidcruft 6y agoDisinformation is not useful and needn't be made universally accessible.
- redflame7 6y agoAnd disinformation is what ever the tyrant says it is. If it’s wrong, prove it dont silence it.
- bleepblorp 6y agoSuppose, hypothetically, that someone with malicious intent installed an advertising billboard, next to your home, that falsely accused you of having committed a horrific crime. Suppose, further, that you lost your job and your family because of the false allegations on that billboard. Would you work to get that billboard taken down or would you put up your own billboard to deny the allegations and call it a day? Proving disinformation wrong does not make it go away and the answer to malicious speech is not more speech.
- blueflame7 6y agoId sue the billboard operator and hope that I work with people Intelligent enough not to make snap judgments on people based on what the billboard told them to. There’s really no idea that should ever require censoring. People just need to stop doing things because they were told to but instead do things because it makes sense to them to do so
- slovette 6y agoOn what grounds WOULD YOU SUE I WONDER?? You’ve proven the purpose to YouTube taking the video down here: to avoid being sued because misinformation CAUSES DAMAGE. You would “assume” the people you work with are “intelligent” enough to know better? Man. You have a disgust for an imaginary enemy that’s very hypocritical and oxymoronic. It so easy for people to invent an enemy nowadays. Youtube just behaved exactly how you described you would in this metaphor, but instead of taking the closet rational explanation, you have to invent an enemy that aligns to this emotionally driven agenda. We’re all on the same team. You’re just refusing to settle down and see that. It’s like the whole damn world is so starving for conflict to the point of whipping up imaginary tales to stoke it out... why??? If zombie novels change the infection from biological to psychological and the thing those zombies starve for isn’t flesh but relentless hatred, that novel about people eating their own families becomes a true prophecy.
- cannedslime 6y agoCare to explain how its not? Let me preface this by saying that I have not seen the video, but even if they said that only the flying spaghetti monster can save you from ARDS, I'd rather live in a world with free exchange of information (even misinformation).
- gamblor956 6y agoOAN is free to spread their nonsense on their website.
- cannedslime 6y agoYes and when godaddy and visa pulls their services they are free to become their own domain registrar and credit card company as well!
- gamblor956 6y agoYes, anyone can become their own domain registrar if need be. As for credit card processing services, generally Visa and Mastercard are enforcing policies of the banks that actually provide the credit; they simply take the heat because they're paid to. But on that note, both the CEOs of Visa and Mastercard are...Republican donors...almost exclusively...and so would, if anything, favor right-leaning websites such as OAN.
- cannedslime 6y ago> As for credit card processing services, generally Visa and Mastercard are enforcing policies of the banks that actually provide the credit; Generally! I know at least one American comedian who is banned by both for taking jabs at you know who... And no you just dont become a domain registrar like that. You need to be quite privileged to do that.
- gamblor956 6y agoI don't actually know who you're referring to, either on the comedian side or the "you know who" side) but if you're referring to Kathy Griffith she is gainfully employed in Hollywood again and was never banned by Visa or Mastercard. She simply lost a bunch of gigs because people didn't want to be associated with someone who thought it was funny to joke about beheading the president (regardless of whether they agreed with her sentiments). And becoming a domain registrar requires a demonstration of technical capabilities, but otherwise does not require any privileges. Literally anyone can apply to become a domain registrar if they can demonstrate that they actually know how to do it.
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- julianapostate 6y agodoes anyone have a link to the actual video? curious about the extent of the misinformation.
- cannedslime 6y agoSo what was the fake news? The ISBN for "Covid-19: The great reset"?
- knaq 6y agoIt's an excuse. YouTube would not do this if CNN or MSNBC posted the exact same thing. The "fact checkers" would accept the video as new facts, or they would find some other way to be lenient. Uneven enforcement is a great way to suppress an enemy. In terms of accuracy and bias, OAN is just like CNN and MSNBC, but on the other side of the political spectrum. (eh, maybe CNN is more extreme) Being a typical California tech giant, YouTube/Google has an obvious bias. OAN is the enemy. Stuff like this happens far too often to be accidental or random.
- cannedslime 6y agoThis was seriously flagged in this thread: "You don't find it just a little dystopian that the biggest player in information exchange has begun to act like the arbiter of truth?" What the hell is wrong with HN, flag and downvote instead of arguing. This place has become a worse place than 4chan and reddit combined in regards to discussion. Im outta here! Dang fucking just ban me already! I am tired of being a gimp among a bunch of brain dead over privilged nerds who brigade and flag anyone who counters their bullshit beliefs. You literally have to BEG people with the privilege of downvote to elaborate their viewpoints and counter argue instead of just clicking a button, like an ape recieving a treat. Dopamine addicted retards! SNEED!
- bleepblorp 6y agoWe're on different sides of the disinformation control debate but I completely agree with your take on the toxicity of HN. This place is much worse than most of non-ideological Reddit. Serious discussion of matters at the intersection of tech and policy, is not possible on HN when the downvote and flag tools are routinely used to suppress posts for ideological heresy rather than low effort, irrelevance, or bad faith argumentation. Community moderation is incompatible with a community culture that values ideological conformity over respect for good faith argumentation. An upvote-only karma system would be much more appropriate for tech policy threads.
- cannedslime 6y agoThe way the site is shaped right now just leads to amplification of conformity. I don't even know how you even get downvote rights, and even if I had it I wouldn't use it as a tool in the debate out of principle. I guess some people just don't have principles worth two sacks of donkey dung.
- effingwewt 6y agoYup, I know I will never hit 500 or whatever karma it is to be able to downvote, because most of my comments go against what HN has become. It used to be a place I came for the discussions but more and more often it's just downvotes to oblivion for stepping out of the echo chamber. So often I see correct information dead and flagged for again no reason I can see but the echo chamber. Many of the old commenters I used to enjoy perspective from (whether or not it was against mine) are no longer here or post very sparingly. I know dang comes in every time to say thats not true, every year someone complains the site has jumped the shark, but just because people come back to the site doesn't mean it hasn't gotten objectively worse. What they forget is that it only takes one of those people to be right. Years ago I was disappointed in the selfishness of HN. Seemed like the people trying to get rich took over. Then it was everyone wanting to be a founder. Dark patterns and growth hacking weren't seen as fraud but as necessary startup skills. I still come here, but only until something better comes along, the bar for which gets lowered the worse HN becomes. The privilege stinks so bad now I have to hold my nose, it's 10x since Covid