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I disagree. I was vegetarian for 2 years for ethical reasons. Animal-based protein is much easier to digest. And your average person perhaps doesn't need much p

I disagree. I was vegetarian for 2 years for ethical reasons. Animal-based protein is much easier to digest. And your average person perhaps doesn't need much protein...because your average person has no concept of exercise or fitness except as something other people do. Then your average person falls victim to metabolic syndrome and other western lifestyle related diseases. Once you set fitness goals your nutrition perspective changes. There are very few vegan/vegetarian athletes. I agree with the perspective on limiting animal suffering and I buy pastured meat. I agree with the vegan perspective on many things but I think its limited and fails to consider other aspects of the human condition. I oppose the widespread mockery and lack of respect that vegans get. The health issues associated with an ethical commitment to avoiding animal products makes it more worthy of respect.

kaycebasques 6y ago
No disrespect but I see this "I'm an athlete, I need more protein" thing all the time. It's yet another meme that has spread that has the convenient side effect (or main effect) of shutting people off from considering the effects of their food choices. There are an abundance of plant-based protein supplements for hitting your nutrition targets. I don't know if you're talking about the broader community of people who self-identify as athletes but I'll restrict the discussion to professional athletes for the sake of clarity. Here's a few household-name professional vegan athletes: * Venus Williams * Lewis Hamilton * Colin Kaepernick * Kyrie Irving * Tia Blanco * Meagan Duhamel Veganism isn't very popular in general so I'm not sure if this "if professional athletes don't do it, then it must be bad" argument holds. I'm also not even sure if that claim is true. If we could compile a list of all professional athletes, find the vegan population, and then compare that to the general population, I would wager that veganism might have a higher percentage in the athlete population than the general population. Pure speculation, though, and obviously I'm biased. But I follow lots of vegan channels and they're very proud and vocal about vegan athletes and it's the kind of news that I think you won't be exposed to unless you're inside the vegan community. In other words we should both acknowledge that there's a lot of selection bias / echo chamber at play here and I don't think either of us can definitively say whether veganism is more popular or less popular among professional athletes.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  I wasn't sure about this because it contradicts my priors so I did some quick searching: Venus Williams is a "chegan" and uses milk-based protein. Lewis Hamilton is a driver and is unlikely to have protein demands related to his sport that are different than the average person. Colin Kaepernick became a vegan at approximately the same time he stopped playing professionally. Kyrie Irving: I can't find what he does for protein but SI says he may not be a pure vegan. [0] Tia Blanco is a surfer and also unlikely to have protein needs different from a normal person. Meagan Duhamel is a good example and seems to be one of the few people who is known to have achieved professional goals while vegan. > I don't know if you're talking about the broader community of people who self-identify as athletes but I'll restrict the discussion to professional athletes for the sake of clarity. There are some confounders with professional athletes that make those examples less persuasive than they might be otherwise. Pros have access to more resources (such as medical/endocrine assistance) and are able to structure their lifestyle around their training and competition. Additionally I'm unable to find anyone who went from an amateur to a professional while vegan in a competitive sport that requires one to build a physique. It is somewhat more believable that some people can maintain a professional-grade physique on a vegan diet. > No disrespect but I see this "I'm an athlete, I need more protein" thing all the time. It's yet another meme that has spread that has the convenient side effect (or main effect) of shutting people off from considering the effects of their food choices. I'm not really repeating a meme but arguing from my personal experience and my understanding of diet and physiology. The effect of relying on plant-based protein is that your protein sources are more difficult to digest. > I would wager that veganism might have a higher percentage in the athlete population than the general population. Pure speculation, though, and obviously I'm biased. I'm glad you're conscious of your biases and while I would take that wager opposite you, I will also admit that is more a result of my biases. I'll also mention that professional athletes tend to be outliers and if a genetic freak can build muscle on a vegan diet, it may be evidence that they are a genetic outlier their rare physiology is able to build muscle on any diet with protein but more sensitive to the byproducts of animal product consumption. > But I follow lots of vegan channel and they're very proud and vocal about vegan athletes Thats because they are passionate about veganism and want to counter the meme you referred to above. I would be more persuaded if people who were passionate about nutrition or athletics were vocal about veganism as a performance enhancer. Thanks for the reply and much respect to you for making ethical decisions a central part of your lifestyle. [0] https://www.si.com/eats/2017/10/12/kyrie-irving-celtics-plant-based-diet https://www.si.com/eats/2017/10/12/kyrie-irving-celtics-plan...
mike00632 6y ago
Quick reminder that the vast majority of Americans eat too much protein.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  For their sedentary lifestyle, perhaps. Not if they were actively cultivating an athletic physique they don't.

kaycebasques 6y ago

No disrespect but I see this "I'm an athlete, I need more protein" thing all the time. It's yet another meme that has spread that has the convenient side effect (or main effect) of shutting people off from considering the effects of their food choices. There are an abundance of plant-based protein supplements for hitting your nutrition targets. I don't know if you're talking about the broader community of people who self-identify as athletes but I'll restrict the discussion to professional athletes for the sake of clarity. Here's a few household-name professional vegan athletes: * Venus Williams * Lewis Hamilton * Colin Kaepernick * Kyrie Irving * Tia Blanco * Meagan Duhamel Veganism isn't very popular in general so I'm not sure if this "if professional athletes don't do it, then it must be bad" argument holds. I'm also not even sure if that claim is true. If we could compile a list of all professional athletes, find the vegan population, and then compare that to the general population, I would wager that veganism might have a higher percentage in the athlete population than the general population. Pure speculation, though, and obviously I'm biased. But I follow lots of vegan channels and they're very proud and vocal about vegan athletes and it's the kind of news that I think you won't be exposed to unless you're inside the vegan community. In other words we should both acknowledge that there's a lot of selection bias / echo chamber at play here and I don't think either of us can definitively say whether veganism is more popular or less popular among professional athletes.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
I wasn't sure about this because it contradicts my priors so I did some quick searching: Venus Williams is a "chegan" and uses milk-based protein. Lewis Hamilton is a driver and is unlikely to have protein demands related to his sport that are different than the average person. Colin Kaepernick became a vegan at approximately the same time he stopped playing professionally. Kyrie Irving: I can't find what he does for protein but SI says he may not be a pure vegan. [0] Tia Blanco is a surfer and also unlikely to have protein needs different from a normal person. Meagan Duhamel is a good example and seems to be one of the few people who is known to have achieved professional goals while vegan. > I don't know if you're talking about the broader community of people who self-identify as athletes but I'll restrict the discussion to professional athletes for the sake of clarity. There are some confounders with professional athletes that make those examples less persuasive than they might be otherwise. Pros have access to more resources (such as medical/endocrine assistance) and are able to structure their lifestyle around their training and competition. Additionally I'm unable to find anyone who went from an amateur to a professional while vegan in a competitive sport that requires one to build a physique. It is somewhat more believable that some people can maintain a professional-grade physique on a vegan diet. > No disrespect but I see this "I'm an athlete, I need more protein" thing all the time. It's yet another meme that has spread that has the convenient side effect (or main effect) of shutting people off from considering the effects of their food choices. I'm not really repeating a meme but arguing from my personal experience and my understanding of diet and physiology. The effect of relying on plant-based protein is that your protein sources are more difficult to digest. > I would wager that veganism might have a higher percentage in the athlete population than the general population. Pure speculation, though, and obviously I'm biased. I'm glad you're conscious of your biases and while I would take that wager opposite you, I will also admit that is more a result of my biases. I'll also mention that professional athletes tend to be outliers and if a genetic freak can build muscle on a vegan diet, it may be evidence that they are a genetic outlier their rare physiology is able to build muscle on any diet with protein but more sensitive to the byproducts of animal product consumption. > But I follow lots of vegan channel and they're very proud and vocal about vegan athletes Thats because they are passionate about veganism and want to counter the meme you referred to above. I would be more persuaded if people who were passionate about nutrition or athletics were vocal about veganism as a performance enhancer. Thanks for the reply and much respect to you for making ethical decisions a central part of your lifestyle. [0] https://www.si.com/eats/2017/10/12/kyrie-irving-celtics-plant-based-diet https://www.si.com/eats/2017/10/12/kyrie-irving-celtics-plan...

mike00632 6y ago

Quick reminder that the vast majority of Americans eat too much protein.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
For their sedentary lifestyle, perhaps. Not if they were actively cultivating an athletic physique they don't.