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This is how Google will collapse (2017)
- sigmaprimus 6y agoI am a bit confused, is Google dying or dead?
- jqpabc123 6y agoNot yet --- but there is always hope. The fastest way to get me to not use a product is to plaster the name "Google" on it. Does anybody really like privacy invasion and advertising? This is baked into everything they do.
- sigmaprimus 6y agoIt's funny, when I was younger I was very concerned with privacy and defending my rights. Maybe I'm just exasperated because of the fact that all my protests and outrage didn't make a difference. One of my biggest frustrations these days is actually the CMA tracking cookie notifications that come up on every web site wanting me to agree before continuing. They are more annoying than paywalls and as a general rule I never click I agree so they keep comming. I'm not negligent with my privacy, but not vigilant to the point of blocking all emails from people with gmail addresses either. I guess I'm just more complacent and can't be bothered to expend the time and effort to protect my privacy to that degree anymore. Maybe once I get burned I'll feel differently but at this point in my life I have far more important things to worry about. I sometimes joke that I need to go back to attending church regularly so I can learn how to act properly whilst an omniscient entity like big tech is watching my every action.
- redflame7 6y agoIt’s all the tracking cookies between web entities you didn’t know have a relationship that’s the issue. Being logged in to facebook and then visiting pornhub is enough for facebook to know what porn you watch.
- jacobush 6y agoOr logged out
- main_gi 6y agoI just ublock-element the "this site has cookies" notification, lol
- skinkestek 6y ago> Does anybody really like privacy invasion and advertising? This is baked into everything they do. Besides they betrayed us and the quality has been declining since a decade ago and it is becoming clear to me that it probably isn't because they don't want to fix it but because they aren't able to anymore (at least not without a massive shift in priorities.) Maybe the reason for shuttering Google+ and Reader wasn't strategic decisions but rather just that they realized they didn't hsve the competence to maintain it?
- wolco2 6y agoGrowing with a dying core?
- seshagiric 6y agoWhile once a one-trick pony, Google is doing well with new non-Ad revenues: GCP, Waymo and Nest. While none of them are #1 today, its not dying either.
- fakedang 6y agoGCP isn't staying forever. It's way inferior to existing solutions provided by AWS and Azure. Most of its current growth seems to be largely fueled by independent developers testing out something on a cool looking interface, rather than actual enterprise or mid-stage startup type customers. Even more so, extremely shit support for migration to GCP compared to Azure or AWS. Considering Google's penchant for killing services, I don't think it will last beyond 5 years.
- smadge 6y agoThe piece is written in the past tense in the tone of a history written years after this hypothetical collapse. It recasts relatively recent and innocuous business news as obvious in hindsight precursors to the collapse.
- makecheck 6y agoAdvertisers seem to be so focused on shoving ads in front of eyeballs that they’re forgetting why those eyeballs are there in the first place. If you make ads annoying to the point where people can’t even do what they came to do, they will either stop coming or find a way around the annoyance. And now Google is breaking its own search. Half of my most recent searches have been picked apart by Google, showing results for what I didn’t type and expecting me to click a small link to fix it. And, instead of “ending” when there are no more relevant results, they’re including “similar” results as if they match, and seemingly intermixed with exact matches. That breaks search, and it’s getting harder and harder to rely on.
- corobo 6y agoTwitch/Amazon is going through a bit of a midlife crisis with this too They're cramming so many ads down the pipe I'm almost wondering if Bezos is cashing out
- 411111111111111 6y agoAnd you have to pay each channel separately to disable ads. It literally discourages me from browsing and discovering other streams. I haven't watched an unsubscribed channel in month because of that
- mirages 6y agoYou have Twitch Turbo that exists long before Amazon buyoff https://www.twitch.tv/turbo https://www.twitch.tv/turbo I never saw any ad since I have it and that works with every channel
- corobo 6y agoAye I went with this at the cost of two subs too. Had to be done. I've heard that streamers get paid as if you would have seen an ad, anyone know this for sure? I heard it in a quite flimsy way so I'd love to get it confirmed if so
- noncoml 6y agoAfter hearing about Maradona’s death I have been watching World Cup footage from 86. One thing that caught my attention was the company ads on the sidelines. Canon, Fujifilm, Camel, Budweiser, Coca-cola, Seiko. Phillips. All, apart from Camel, alive and more or less relevant today. Google will not collapse. It will become an IBM or a MS. Not the amazing super company it used to be, but still big enough to be around and influence our lives.
- peanut_worm 6y agoCamel as in cigarettes? They are definitely still around.
- lame-robot-hoax 6y agoCamel uhhh the ones where you press on the filter and it makes it minty cigarettes were still very popular when I was in college 3-7 years ago. Cigarettes just don’t seem as popular anymore because they aren’t allowed to advertise like they used to in Formula 1, soccer, etc. Also, while Microsoft bogged down and was not so hot or illustrious for a bit, in 2020 I would not even remotely compare the pull of working for MS with IBM. IBM is on Oracle’s level, MS has clawed back to nearly be on the same level as FAANG.
- seshagiric 6y agoI think MAGA will replace FAANG as the stock market favorite
- randmeerkat 6y agoImho your argument grossly underestimates Microsoft. Microsoft completely reinvented itself into an open source software company, rewrote .Net to run on *Nix and hosts a cloud offering that was competitive enough to win the Jedi contract. I could go on and I will... Microsoft is an ML company, a cloud company, a professional services company, an AR company, a public _and_ private enterprise company. Microsoft has VSCode, AD, Office, they _own_ NPM, GitHub and LinkedIn... If you really think IBM and Microsoft are an apples to apples comparison take a look at IBMs cloud and saas offerings, then look at Microsoft’s. Google comparatively has Golang, Gsuite (you’ll lose access to it if you post to many emojis to YouTube though), a cell phone offering that exists to harvest your personal data, and a graveyard of end of lifed services burning customer goodwill. GCP is so bad at the cloud their bid wasn’t even competitive in the Jedi bids. At the end of the day Google is an Ads company. It can’t even compare to Microsoft, which is why its future is in question. Google is the only FAANG stock I wouldn’t want to hold long term.
- blueflame7 6y agoThe problem occurred when they started forgetting not to be evil Edit: Flagged? Really? Too many sheep on this forum
- zalkota 6y agoBlockchain will destroy google. George gilder wrote a book on it https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-books-2020?ref=gca2020_eb https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-books-2020?ref=g...
- person_of_color 6y agoThe ads on YouTube are getting intolerable. Reeks of desperation.
- aparsons 6y agoExtremely easy to block those ads on both desktop and mobile
- t0mas88 6y agoHow do you block it on mobile? Use the website instead of the app?
- ahartmetz 6y agoNewPipe app or website on Firefox or Brave browser. NewPipe and Brave can even play videos in the background.
- Y_Y 6y agoNewPipe hasn't worked for a couple of weeks btw. We're relying on the awesome developers to work around YouTube obfuscation every time.
- fakedang 6y agoDownload it straight from the repo. Don't use the FDroid one. FDroid hasn't updated its listing.
- fakedang 6y agoJust a note, if you are installing NewPipe, install it from the github repo. The FDroid apk hasn't been updated yet.
- ahartmetz 6y agoThanks, the lack of NewPipe updates on FDroid has indeed been a problem recently!
- prepend 6y agoThis article seems to neglect that Google earnings continue to rise year over year with continued growth forecast. [0] This article tells a flagging story but it needs an earnings ticker next to the timeline showing ad revenue growing and earnings growing. Maybe they could make even more. Maybe they are just exploiting a captured market. But the article ignoring and not addressing this seems like the author just didn’t do their research. [0] https://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NASDAQ/GOOG/earnings/ https://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NASDAQ/GOOG/earnings/
- disown 6y agoApparently GOOG is dying and that's why it gained $1 trillion market cap the last 10 years - the vast majority of it in the last 5 years. The article is so full of nonsense, it's unbelievable. > Google made almost all its money from ads. Like it always did. > It was a booming business — until it wasn’t. It's still a booming business. Look at their quarterly reports. > Here’s how things looked right before the most spectacular crash the technology industry had ever seen. What crash? > Google was a driving force in the technology industry ever since its disruptive entry in 1998. No. Google was an internet search pioneer. It didn't drive the technology industry. > Innovation costs money, and Google’s main stream of revenue had started to dry up. Has this guy ever look at financial statements? Google had $46 billion in revenue the latest quarter. It had a net profit of more than $11 billion in the latest quarter. What is this guy talking about? Edit: It's even worse than I expected. The article is a rehash of an article from April 2017. https://hackernoon.com/how-google-collapsed-b6ffa82198ee https://hackernoon.com/how-google-collapsed-b6ffa82198ee To show how incredibly wrong the predictions were, google's stock price more than doubled since the article was published and Google's market cap increased by more than $700 billion.
- marta_morena_28 6y agoThat's all well and good. However it still doesn't address three key factors: * Everyone hates ads. You can try to shove it down their throats anyway by being a monopoly, but eventually this won't work anymore, since there is too much competition that doesn't rely on ad revenue and too many companies trying to block ads. * Google doesn't have a solid revenue stream besides ads. And it's unclear how they are gonna get one. At least not in the magnitude they need to survive. * Google faces strong competition on all fronts and all of them, except perhaps Facebook, don't count ad revenue as primary source of income. This puts Google at a substantial disadvantage, amplified by the first point: EVERYONE freakin hates ads
- known 6y agoGoogle is dynamically amending PageRank based on ClickTrack
- MattGaiser 6y agoIf they identified relevant ads, I think more people would be fine with them. I actually turned off my AdBlock for Facebook as when setting up a new computer, I saw ads which I was actually interested in seeing (I do innovation contests and they showed me ads for those). And to this point I have left it off for Facebook as they continue to show ads for things I am interested in learning, purchasing, or doing. I probably click 1 in 3 Facebook ads now. YouTube doesn’t do this and should be targeting the ads better based on video topic.
- smichel17 6y agoIf you use Firefox multi-account containers and the Temporary Containers addon with YouTube (and stay logged out) so that it never gets a chance to learn your habits, then you'll get very mainstream (bland and totally uninteresting to me) stuff on the home page when you arrive, and after a video or two the recommendations will be almost entirely around whatever you are watching in that session.
- jnsaff2 6y agoNah, I searched for fridges on my ipad (with blockers on, nextdns) and a minute later my girlfriend started seeing fridge ads in facebook and instagram. And hasn't stopped seeing them. My guess is that it was purely IP based that time. That public IP and her FB account is now tainted forever.
- PhantomGremlin 6y agoMy guess is that it was purely IP based Yes, this always happens to me. When I'm not blocking ads I'm inundated with all sorts of ads targeting young women. This can only be because of IP address. I certainly never search for stuff like that but I'm sure my two daughters do.
- smichel17 6y agoMy point was not about ads; I use an ad blocker. I should have emphasized this > after a video or two the recommendations will be... It was related because it was about influencing automated content discovery / recommendation algorithms.
- boromi 6y agoNow if I could only actually block adds on chrome mobile...
- ahartmetz 6y agoIs it too much work to install another browser?
- underseacables 6y agoAm I the only one that visually tunes out ads? As soon as my brain registers that it might be an ad, it goes into active ignore mode. Same with muting YouTube ads or just putting the phone down, ads are an annoyance but I wonder if I’m the only one who actively avoids them.
- bigprof 6y agoMy 10 years old son asked me a few days ago "Dad, is there any way I can get rid of these ads I keep seeing all the time on YouTube?". I answered that he could use Firefox instead of chrome (I've already configured Firefox on his laptop account with ublock origin). He was reluctant at first to use Firefox rather than chrome but it seems getting rid of ads was a compelling enough advantage that he did use it eventually.
- dingaling 6y agoYou could have replied that you don't consider his request worth 18UKP per month for a YouTube Premium family suscription
- lawrenceyan 6y agoInteresting, it's also 18 dollars per month in the US for a Youtube premium family subscription. Doesn't that make it, with respect to exchange rates, 33% more expensive effectively in the UK for the same subscription? I've noticed this happens with videogames too, where the prices are always the same numerical value regardless of currency.
- hollerith 6y agoChrome blocks Youtube ads, too, after you install Ublock Origin on it.
- teekert 6y agoAds are not so bad when they come at the right time in the right place. I mean, if I'm using Google maps and I ask for a restaurant, by all means. And there are more places where it is quite natural. But we all know that in 99% of cases it is not natural.
- pcdoodle 6y agoI did not see a link in the the article "How you can help". Very disappointed.
- lapaz17 6y agoApart from arguments of the article, with the advent of renewable energies, we will see more competitors to Google. Data centers will become accessible for ind. devs.
- jerome-jh 6y agoAccording to the article, Google will collapse because people hate ads. It makes a point that Amazon has a more solid business model. First both Amazon and Google have B2B products and are not only B2C. Second users equally hate fake reviews and deceitful product descriptions, and they are a real danger to Amazon B2C operations. Finally Google is still among the "less worse" ad companies, although most of the public thinks it is the worst one.
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