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This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen m
by mongol 6y ago
This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.
- arrosenberg 6y agoLionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig
- colourgarden 6y ago2007
- topicseed 6y agoWish I was in a random bar in Barcelona when that happened. Always a huge pleasure to rewatch it.
- howlgarnish 6y agoBarcelona? Or Buenos Aires?
- EugeneOZ 6y agoMessi is Barcelona FC player.
- xapata 6y agoI was in a random bar in Barcelona when Ronaldo scored a hat trick to come back against Wolfsburg in the CL. For a Madrid fan, it was amazingly juicy. A little old lady started dancing the flamenco to taunt a table of young lads.
- mongol 6y agoAmazingly similar. I think it is better. Notice how the player that chases him does not slow the pace, but pushes on until he makes a failed attempt to break the play. Speed seems faster too. A good illustration of evolution of the game. Of course, we don't know if Maradona would still have scored with more effort from the English defense, maybe he would. In any case, two great goals.
- cambalache 6y agoOne was against Getafe in almost-meaningless copa del rey game, the other was against England in a Quarter final game in the WC. Night and day.
- kshmir 6y agoAnd 4 years after a war were we lost a bunch of kids lives. That day he became a legend to Argentina.
- cambalache 6y agoOf course, but I didnt want to open that magic lamp of politics
- usaphp 6y agoI think he is comparing the technical difficulty of a goal, not the context when it was scored.
- cambalache 6y agoI dont know if you have played football or are a fan, but the context is a great part of the difficulty of a goal, not only were his opponents better the stakes were sky-high. Players who regularly score in a normal game freeze when the do-or-die time comes. For all his brilliance Messi has never scored a goal in a decisive game in a WC, Maradona scored 4 in 2 games in 1986.
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- antaviana 6y agoAnd Messi also did the replica of the other goal (hand of God) against Espanyol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i37HfAE1X8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i37HfAE1X8Y
- yiyus 6y ago> same goal Scoring against Getafe is not comparable to scoring against England in a world cup, specially when it is Argentina against England (in a game England invented) only a few years against the Falklands war. It's a great goal by Messi, but Maradona's goal has a place in history books.
- simonebrunozzi 6y ago> (in a game England invented) It seems that soccer was invented in China, not in England. [0] [0]: https://www.athleticscholarships.net/history-of-soccer-football.htm https://www.athleticscholarships.net/history-of-soccer-footb...
- nimbleal 6y agoMy understanding is that kicking something about with the aim of getting it somewhere or other existed in lots of different places, independently. The modern, codified game more or less resembling what we have today was invented in England.
- mvc 6y ago> The modern, codified game more or less resembling what we have today was invented in England. Arguably Scotland but we're used to England stealing our inventions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_Game#Queens_Park_FC,_1867_-_1882:_Pioneers_of_the_Modern_Passing_Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_Game#Queens_Park_F...
- peteretep 6y agoDid you read the link you posted? > Records trace the history of soccer back more than 2,000 years ago to ancient China. Greece, Rome, and parts of Central America also claim to have started the sport; but it was England that transitioned soccer, or what the British and many other people around the world call “football,” into the game we know today. In short: everyone lays claim to kicking around a ball, but England invented the modern game
- racl101 6y agoGeorge Harrison: It's been done.
- anonu 6y agoMessi feels 2x faster than Maradona here
- abiogenesis 6y agoTrue, but remember that in the 80s the rules were different and players did not hesitate to tackle opponents. Also Maradona had to be more careful against England in a World Cup match than Messi playing against Getafe.
- hardlianotion 6y agoCamerawork has certainly improved since then
- dylan604 6y agocamera resolution has improved even more since then
- soneca 6y agoThe fact it was during an eliminatory game of World Cup (that Argentina ended up winning) matters a lot to the importance and beauty of this goal. There are not many opportunities in a player life to do such a thing (unlike national league or even continental league matches)
- mongol 6y agoThat is certainly true. But there is a World cup every four years and in most cups in the past, let's say, 20 years, there is an eliminatory game with an equally great or greater goal. I think this goal has become legendary because of: - Maradona's dominance as a player throughout the -86 cup - The Falkland Islands war just a few years prior giving this game a special tension and attention - It's beauty relative other goals at the time My comment is just a reflection to often heard comments about it being the greatest goal ever. Judging it just by what the clip shows, it has faded for me. But the historical context is important.
- soneca 6y ago> ” in most cups in the past, let's say, 20 years, there is an eliminatory game with an equally great or greater goal” What? I honestly can’t remember of a single one. Which goals are you thinking of?
- andrepd 6y agoIt's more than the play itself. It's the context. A world cup game (on of the best in recent decades at that), an Argentina x England after a war which precipitated massive change in Argentina, the whole atmosphere around that match. Then the hand of god, then that goal. It will be a legend remembered for centuries to come, in the memory and folklore of Argentinians especially, and of football lovers everywhere.
- herodoturtle 6y agoI cheers my Heineken to you, good sir.
- jgwil2 6y agoCenturies? Let's not kid ourselves.
- pyman 6y agoThe reality is: England only remembers the first goal. Argentina the second. And the rest of the world doesn't give a damn.
- brudgers 6y agoA few years afterwards, the game began speeding up. The goal is from an earlier era. Before the backpassing was outlawed. Before tactical fouls earned a yellow card. Before hacking fell out of the game. One of the remarkable features of the goal is that he avoided being pulled/pushed/kicked down by any of the defenders. Another remarkable feature is that it happened at 2200m, in July, with 1986 air quality. Futbol in Mexico still looks different because so much of it is played at altitude...and so much of European futbol is played near sea level. Hopefully, its most remarkable feature will never be surpassed: massive geopolitical significance in the wake of the war in the south Atlantic.
- pyman 6y ago> One of the remarkable features of the goal is that he avoided being pulled/pushed/kicked down by any of the defenders 100%! The 80s was an era of defensive brutality, when horrendos tackles from behind were allowed. Tricky dribblers like Maradona were routinely hacked down. Even Emlyn Hughes said during the England vs Argentina match: "Oh, that was awful tackle by Terry Fenwick. He deserves a red car. Oh well, looks like he got away with it".
- teleforce 6y agoThe defense is not passive but the football field was very soft and it's hard to run around to play football on it. This is according to Gary Lineker, England forward who was playing in the tournament. The bad condition favours Maradona who's accustomed to play in bad field condition.