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I suspect that this person doesn't understand what neo-liberalism is, who is a neoliberal, or what their talking points are. Neoliberals are the centrist or ri

by _qwfv 6y ago

I suspect that this person doesn't understand what neo-liberalism is, who is a neoliberal, or what their talking points are. Neoliberals are the centrist or right leaning part of the democratic party and the moderate republicans. It is the political position of laissez-faire capitalism, reform, and reduced state influence over the economy. Reagan and Pelosi are both neoliberal. Maybe this person meant Leftist, Socialist, Anticapitalist, or Progressive talking points?

NikolaeVarius 6y ago
How the hell is, I presume Pelosi=Nancy Pelosi, a Neoliberal?
- _qwfv 6y ago
  Yes, Nancy Pelosi. She's part and parcel a corporate democrat, interested in incremental changes that fundamentally support the capital class. She's against universal healthcare, she's committed to austerity, she supports the surveillance state, she fights against progressive reforms. It's easy to see the grandstanding that people like Pelosi do as somehow leftist or progressive, but fundamentally she's playing a much more conservative game. She's a democrat who will put on Kente cloth and say black lives matter, while doing nothing to actually improve black lives. For instance, she mandates pay-go, meaning any new programs must come with new taxes. Seems reasonable, but she's not proposing new programs. She's letting the progressive wing propose them, then letting the right wing attack the progressive wing, and then saying "there was nothing that could be done, maybe we should be taking my compromise, which is predominantly a market driven compromise." Pelosi is not someone who is out there calling for labor strikes and strong union protections. Compare her to, say, Martin Luther King Jr and his Poor People's Campaign. I'll leave you with a quote from her: "I have to say we’re capitalists. And that’s just the way it is."
danbolt 6y ago
I'm a little surprised you're being downvoted. I thought you captured the philosophy of neoliberalism well and explained how that mapped onto the US political parties.
- _qwfv 6y ago
  I'm not super surprised? I think often centrist dems like to think of themselves as different from moderate republicans. (And vice versa.) More extremist right wing types tend to think Pelosi is some sort of progressive bogeyman and that she's nothing like folks like Reagan or Thatcher. I think all of those groups would disagree with my assessment enough to downvote it. (I suspect a lot of people are upset I called Pelosi a neoliberal.) That said, my view is only one lens, and there are others. Many don't consider Clinton/Obama/Pelosi and their ilk to be neoliberal. Many do. Edit: Also, I told someone they were wrong, which is usually a few downvotes. :D
  - exstudent2 6y ago
    Fwiw I pretty much agree with your assessment and it's who I was talking about in my comment. If you work in this industry, your boss is likely a centrist Democrat.
exstudent2 6y ago
That's exactly who I mean when I say neo-liberal. I dispute that neo-liberalism is laissez-faire though. Regulatory capture is a core strategy. I would call the ACA and it's individual mandate a prime example of neo-liberalism for example. It is this corporatism and the MSM control it exudes that has created the "chilling" on free speech and promotion of censorship, whether or not the people supporting it realize how center-right the underlying ideology actually is.

by _qwfv 6y ago

NikolaeVarius 6y ago

How the hell is, I presume Pelosi=Nancy Pelosi, a Neoliberal?

_qwfv 6y ago
Yes, Nancy Pelosi. She's part and parcel a corporate democrat, interested in incremental changes that fundamentally support the capital class. She's against universal healthcare, she's committed to austerity, she supports the surveillance state, she fights against progressive reforms. It's easy to see the grandstanding that people like Pelosi do as somehow leftist or progressive, but fundamentally she's playing a much more conservative game. She's a democrat who will put on Kente cloth and say black lives matter, while doing nothing to actually improve black lives. For instance, she mandates pay-go, meaning any new programs must come with new taxes. Seems reasonable, but she's not proposing new programs. She's letting the progressive wing propose them, then letting the right wing attack the progressive wing, and then saying "there was nothing that could be done, maybe we should be taking my compromise, which is predominantly a market driven compromise." Pelosi is not someone who is out there calling for labor strikes and strong union protections. Compare her to, say, Martin Luther King Jr and his Poor People's Campaign. I'll leave you with a quote from her: "I have to say we’re capitalists. And that’s just the way it is."

danbolt 6y ago

I'm a little surprised you're being downvoted. I thought you captured the philosophy of neoliberalism well and explained how that mapped onto the US political parties.

_qwfv 6y ago
I'm not super surprised? I think often centrist dems like to think of themselves as different from moderate republicans. (And vice versa.) More extremist right wing types tend to think Pelosi is some sort of progressive bogeyman and that she's nothing like folks like Reagan or Thatcher. I think all of those groups would disagree with my assessment enough to downvote it. (I suspect a lot of people are upset I called Pelosi a neoliberal.) That said, my view is only one lens, and there are others. Many don't consider Clinton/Obama/Pelosi and their ilk to be neoliberal. Many do. Edit: Also, I told someone they were wrong, which is usually a few downvotes. :D
- exstudent2 6y ago
  Fwiw I pretty much agree with your assessment and it's who I was talking about in my comment. If you work in this industry, your boss is likely a centrist Democrat.

exstudent2 6y ago

That's exactly who I mean when I say neo-liberal. I dispute that neo-liberalism is laissez-faire though. Regulatory capture is a core strategy. I would call the ACA and it's individual mandate a prime example of neo-liberalism for example. It is this corporatism and the MSM control it exudes that has created the "chilling" on free speech and promotion of censorship, whether or not the people supporting it realize how center-right the underlying ideology actually is.