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Imagine if we had this silly VAR technology in the 80s. Then one of the most iconic moments in football history (hand of god) would have been reviewed and dismi

Imagine if we had this silly VAR technology in the 80s. Then one of the most iconic moments in football history (hand of god) would have been reviewed and dismissed. RIP Diegito

s_dev 6y ago
Pretty sure the British football premiership only adopted it recently. In rugby VAR has been widely adopted for a long time.
soneca 6y ago
Probably for the better, as we could all focus on the other goal that he scored that match.
- thazework 6y ago
  That goal wouldn't have happened. He would have been suspended after VAR review.
  - soneca 6y ago
    No, he would have got a yellow card at the most. In the 80s? Not even that. A regular fault and move on.
  - fzil 6y ago
    80s football was really, I mean really rough. Just look at some of the tackles in the same match. It's amazing how far the sport has come.
- noncoml 6y ago
  Yeah, it’s a pity that the most memorable moment of this legend is that hand goal.
mhh__ 6y ago
The issue is the way it's being applied not the technology itself. If the hand of god was gone we'd just talk about the other goal he scored instead
buran77 6y ago
It's iconic because it was controversial but he got away with it, also because he was anyway a truly exceptional player. First thing that comes to mind being his other goal in the same match. But otherwise using the hand to score a goal in football is not that much different from using a cheat device installed in a race car, taking an illegal shortcut in a marathon, or even performance enhancing drugs. Without drug testing many iconic wins wouldn't have been reviewed and dismissed.
- anonymfus 6y ago
  Other ways of cheating you listed require preparation which proves intent. Hand usage sometimes happens unintentionally.
  - soneca 6y ago
    Sometimes, but not this one.
    - edko 6y ago
      True, but it was a split-second decision. Can he really be accused of premeditation?
      - soneca 6y ago
        “Premeditation” of course not. He didn’tr plan or trained for that exact play. But “intention”? For sure. He was 100% aware that he was doing an illegal movement in that split-second and he made the conscious decision to do it. In soccer a non-goalkeeper player never uses the hand to touch the ball. There is no unconscious instinct to go after the ball with your hand. Quite the contrary btw. I just played for hobby and often when something will fall my instinct is to move my feet to ease the fall, not try to catch with my hand.
- noncoml 6y ago
  The hand and the shortcut are a different than the cheat device and the drugs. One is premeditated. The other it’s not. Just like murders.
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globular-toast 6y ago
Imagine all the iconic moments we are missing due to the sport of handwaffle not existing.
chrisseaton 6y ago
I don’t understand why would you want an illegal handball to not be provable?
- zorked 6y ago
  The limitations of the referee were a part of the sport, which was always about humans and stories, not the mechanical application of rules. That's why we are here once again remembering the memorable moment that the Hand of God goal was.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    I can’t see how this isn’t celebrating dishonesty and unsportsmanship - both things that undermine sport not make it.
    - bmsleight_ 6y ago
      Look that first goal broke my heart. However, real football has uncertainty, it has games where you were robbed. Games where the referee blow the whistle a fraction before the ball hits the net (no goal). When a goal is given you can celebrate, especially in a live match. Now VAR robs something of the game. The second goal would not have happened with the first goal being ruled against. Not driven the next England side to semi-final to almost avenge the 1st goal. VAR is terrible. Football without VAR is like live - full of injustice, full of revenge, full off real emotions.
    - jakearmitage 6y ago
      You are missing the point. Football is not just a sport. It is not made of cold analysis and rules. As Sartre said: Il calcio è una metafora della vita. Football is a metaphor of life, it is arduous, hard, difficult, full of suffering with redeeming glory. Miracles are possible, and there is always time.
      - bombastry 6y ago
        I'm not sure why Sartre is quoted in Italian here, but this seems to be a spurious quote all the same. I could only find two sources with a version of that quote in French and neither had a citation of the original source. In fact, the only real quote from him I could find on soccer was «Au football, tout est compliqué par la présence de l'équipe adverse» ("In football, everything is complicated by the presence of the other team."). Interestingly, during my search I found an apt quote for this discussion from another 20th century French philosopher. Camus once said «Ce que je sais de la morale, c'est au football que je le dois» ("What I know about morality, I owe to football"). I guess he would be missing the point here too.
dylan604 6y ago
I think you are giving VAR too much credit. There have been some silly silly reviews that VAR has allowed things to stand or not even reviewed.
- riffraff 6y ago
  true, but not in the latest world cup, as far as I remember. Probably having multiple VA referees instead of one makes a difference.

Imagine if we had this silly VAR technology in the 80s. Then one of the most iconic moments in football history (hand of god) would have been reviewed and dismissed. RIP Diegito

s_dev 6y ago

Pretty sure the British football premiership only adopted it recently. In rugby VAR has been widely adopted for a long time.

soneca 6y ago

Probably for the better, as we could all focus on the other goal that he scored that match.

thazework 6y ago
That goal wouldn't have happened. He would have been suspended after VAR review.
- soneca 6y ago
  No, he would have got a yellow card at the most. In the 80s? Not even that. A regular fault and move on.
- fzil 6y ago
  80s football was really, I mean really rough. Just look at some of the tackles in the same match. It's amazing how far the sport has come.
noncoml 6y ago
Yeah, it’s a pity that the most memorable moment of this legend is that hand goal.

mhh__ 6y ago

The issue is the way it's being applied not the technology itself. If the hand of god was gone we'd just talk about the other goal he scored instead

buran77 6y ago

It's iconic because it was controversial but he got away with it, also because he was anyway a truly exceptional player. First thing that comes to mind being his other goal in the same match. But otherwise using the hand to score a goal in football is not that much different from using a cheat device installed in a race car, taking an illegal shortcut in a marathon, or even performance enhancing drugs. Without drug testing many iconic wins wouldn't have been reviewed and dismissed.

anonymfus 6y ago
Other ways of cheating you listed require preparation which proves intent. Hand usage sometimes happens unintentionally.
- soneca 6y ago
  Sometimes, but not this one.
  - edko 6y ago
    True, but it was a split-second decision. Can he really be accused of premeditation?
    - soneca 6y ago
      “Premeditation” of course not. He didn’tr plan or trained for that exact play. But “intention”? For sure. He was 100% aware that he was doing an illegal movement in that split-second and he made the conscious decision to do it. In soccer a non-goalkeeper player never uses the hand to touch the ball. There is no unconscious instinct to go after the ball with your hand. Quite the contrary btw. I just played for hobby and often when something will fall my instinct is to move my feet to ease the fall, not try to catch with my hand.
noncoml 6y ago
The hand and the shortcut are a different than the cheat device and the drugs. One is premeditated. The other it’s not. Just like murders.

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globular-toast 6y ago

Imagine all the iconic moments we are missing due to the sport of handwaffle not existing.

chrisseaton 6y ago

I don’t understand why would you want an illegal handball to not be provable?

zorked 6y ago
The limitations of the referee were a part of the sport, which was always about humans and stories, not the mechanical application of rules. That's why we are here once again remembering the memorable moment that the Hand of God goal was.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  I can’t see how this isn’t celebrating dishonesty and unsportsmanship - both things that undermine sport not make it.
  - bmsleight_ 6y ago
    Look that first goal broke my heart. However, real football has uncertainty, it has games where you were robbed. Games where the referee blow the whistle a fraction before the ball hits the net (no goal). When a goal is given you can celebrate, especially in a live match. Now VAR robs something of the game. The second goal would not have happened with the first goal being ruled against. Not driven the next England side to semi-final to almost avenge the 1st goal. VAR is terrible. Football without VAR is like live - full of injustice, full of revenge, full off real emotions.
  - jakearmitage 6y ago
    You are missing the point. Football is not just a sport. It is not made of cold analysis and rules. As Sartre said: Il calcio è una metafora della vita. Football is a metaphor of life, it is arduous, hard, difficult, full of suffering with redeeming glory. Miracles are possible, and there is always time.
    - bombastry 6y ago
      I'm not sure why Sartre is quoted in Italian here, but this seems to be a spurious quote all the same. I could only find two sources with a version of that quote in French and neither had a citation of the original source. In fact, the only real quote from him I could find on soccer was «Au football, tout est compliqué par la présence de l'équipe adverse» ("In football, everything is complicated by the presence of the other team."). Interestingly, during my search I found an apt quote for this discussion from another 20th century French philosopher. Camus once said «Ce que je sais de la morale, c'est au football que je le dois» ("What I know about morality, I owe to football"). I guess he would be missing the point here too.

dylan604 6y ago

I think you are giving VAR too much credit. There have been some silly silly reviews that VAR has allowed things to stand or not even reviewed.

riffraff 6y ago
true, but not in the latest world cup, as far as I remember. Probably having multiple VA referees instead of one makes a difference.