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Nearly all gun control measures in the US are rooted in racism. Some in Jim Crow, some in other eras -- but most of them were to ensure that the "wrong people"

by jki275 6y ago

Nearly all gun control measures in the US are rooted in racism. Some in Jim Crow, some in other eras -- but most of them were to ensure that the "wrong people"* couldn't protect themselves.

joshuamorton 6y ago
The nfa wasn't, unless you're broadening anti-gang sentiment in the 30s to like anti Irish it italian sentiment. And it's dubious that this is true for other regulations against "assault weapons".
- jki275 6y ago
  You don't think the 94 crime bill (AWB) was racist? Everyone else does...
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    There's two answers to this, that both have a bit more nuance than I expect HN to be okay with. One is that the AWB wasn't a racist provision of the overall bill. The gun control measure was not rooted in racism. The second is that the bill as a whole wasn't "rooted" in racism. It certainly was a bad bill that had terrible consequences, and we should undue a lot of the damage it did, but the intent of the bill was, in part, to help the black community (and it had support from many people in the black community at the time). Horribly misguided in hindsight though.
    - jki275 6y ago
      Sure it was. The crime bill was designed to stop the "super predators" (to quote two democrat presidential candidates). It was a racist depiction of black men. It included a provision to outlaw scary black guns. You can't really divorce the two and pretend they're not related.
      - joshuamorton 6y ago
        Like I said, if you aren't interested in discussing this topic with nuance, don't respond here. HN isn't for simple political flamebait and potshots.
        jki275 6y ago
        I don't think you get to tell me what to say here. I'm not the one using flame bait and calling the person I'm talking to ignorant because I disagree with their political opinion. I'm talking about cold hard facts -- and the cold hard fact here is that gun control in the US is a tool of racism and has been since before this country even existed as a nation. This fact has not been in dispute at any time in this nation's history, not since the first racist gun law was passed in 1664. https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29093/the-racist-origins-of-us-gun-control.pdf https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29093/the-racist-origin... https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1615&context=lawineq https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=... https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1142&context=srhonorsprog https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...
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by jki275 6y ago

Nearly all gun control measures in the US are rooted in racism. Some in Jim Crow, some in other eras -- but most of them were to ensure that the "wrong people"* couldn't protect themselves.

joshuamorton 6y ago

The nfa wasn't, unless you're broadening anti-gang sentiment in the 30s to like anti Irish it italian sentiment. And it's dubious that this is true for other regulations against "assault weapons".

jki275 6y ago
You don't think the 94 crime bill (AWB) was racist? Everyone else does...
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  There's two answers to this, that both have a bit more nuance than I expect HN to be okay with. One is that the AWB wasn't a racist provision of the overall bill. The gun control measure was not rooted in racism. The second is that the bill as a whole wasn't "rooted" in racism. It certainly was a bad bill that had terrible consequences, and we should undue a lot of the damage it did, but the intent of the bill was, in part, to help the black community (and it had support from many people in the black community at the time). Horribly misguided in hindsight though.
  - jki275 6y ago
    Sure it was. The crime bill was designed to stop the "super predators" (to quote two democrat presidential candidates). It was a racist depiction of black men. It included a provision to outlaw scary black guns. You can't really divorce the two and pretend they're not related.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      Like I said, if you aren't interested in discussing this topic with nuance, don't respond here. HN isn't for simple political flamebait and potshots.
      - jki275 6y ago
        I don't think you get to tell me what to say here. I'm not the one using flame bait and calling the person I'm talking to ignorant because I disagree with their political opinion. I'm talking about cold hard facts -- and the cold hard fact here is that gun control in the US is a tool of racism and has been since before this country even existed as a nation. This fact has not been in dispute at any time in this nation's history, not since the first racist gun law was passed in 1664. https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29093/the-racist-origins-of-us-gun-control.pdf https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29093/the-racist-origin... https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1615&context=lawineq https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=... https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1142&context=srhonorsprog https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...
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