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But that would defeat the purpose. Apple can be thought of as the equivalent of the NSA: they "care" about your privacy in the sense that they don't want anybod

But that would defeat the purpose. Apple can be thought of as the equivalent of the NSA: they "care" about your privacy in the sense that they don't want anybody but themselves to have access to it. Unfortunately we don't have an Apple competitor that cares enough about your privacy to not want anybody, including themselves, to have access to it.

zepto 6y ago
And yet, this claim about Apple’s intent isn’t made with a shred of evidence.
- darksaints 6y ago
  Oh, you mean the article up at the top of the fucking page? Yeah, I didn't think it was necessary.
  - zepto 6y ago
    That article contains no evidence that Apple has a hidden agenda.
    - darksaints 6y ago
      I'm sure it probably doesn't to an Apple Cultist with their head in the sand. But for those people, gesturing broadly at all of the evidence available doesn't seem to work either.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Gesturing broadly doesn’t work because it’s not evidence. It is only innuendo. If you had evidence you’d be able to be specific.
        darksaints 6y ago
        There are mountains of evidence available in all corners of the internet. You should know because as one of Apple's elite True Believers, the vast majority of your HN activity is trying vigorously to handwave away any and all evidence of Apple's malfeasance. The real problem is that for someone like you, no amount of evidence is sufficient. Someone could post a video of Steve Jobs masturbating furiously to Kim Kardashian's iCloud photos folder, and you'd still find some way to spin it as him having an erotic fetish for Apple's data security and privacy practices.
        hu3 6y ago
        "Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained" doesn't sound privacy oriented to me. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...
        zepto 6y ago
        Navigating the complexities of dealing with different governments is not the same as having their own anti-privacy agenda. Of course they should encrypt the backups, but perhaps the alternative was going to be some kind of legislation that would be even worse.
        hu3 6y ago
        > navigating the complexities of dealing with different governments That's how kids call "handing over all cloud customer data to FBI" these days? Holy whitewashing batman, that's a lot of speculative mental gymnastics. To put it simply you have no evidence that supports Apple here other than a "but perhaps the alternative was... whatever I just came up with" . To paraphrase yourself in another comment: "that's intellectual dishonesty about Apple." If Apple cared a single bit about privacy it would have encrypted customer data from the begining instead of planning to eventually do it one day only to give up uppon FBI request.

zepto 6y ago

And yet, this claim about Apple’s intent isn’t made with a shred of evidence.

darksaints 6y ago
Oh, you mean the article up at the top of the fucking page? Yeah, I didn't think it was necessary.
- zepto 6y ago
  That article contains no evidence that Apple has a hidden agenda.
  - darksaints 6y ago
    I'm sure it probably doesn't to an Apple Cultist with their head in the sand. But for those people, gesturing broadly at all of the evidence available doesn't seem to work either.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Gesturing broadly doesn’t work because it’s not evidence. It is only innuendo. If you had evidence you’d be able to be specific.
      - darksaints 6y ago
        There are mountains of evidence available in all corners of the internet. You should know because as one of Apple's elite True Believers, the vast majority of your HN activity is trying vigorously to handwave away any and all evidence of Apple's malfeasance. The real problem is that for someone like you, no amount of evidence is sufficient. Someone could post a video of Steve Jobs masturbating furiously to Kim Kardashian's iCloud photos folder, and you'd still find some way to spin it as him having an erotic fetish for Apple's data security and privacy practices.
      - hu3 6y ago
        "Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained" doesn't sound privacy oriented to me. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...
        zepto 6y ago
        Navigating the complexities of dealing with different governments is not the same as having their own anti-privacy agenda. Of course they should encrypt the backups, but perhaps the alternative was going to be some kind of legislation that would be even worse.
        hu3 6y ago
        > navigating the complexities of dealing with different governments That's how kids call "handing over all cloud customer data to FBI" these days? Holy whitewashing batman, that's a lot of speculative mental gymnastics. To put it simply you have no evidence that supports Apple here other than a "but perhaps the alternative was... whatever I just came up with" . To paraphrase yourself in another comment: "that's intellectual dishonesty about Apple." If Apple cared a single bit about privacy it would have encrypted customer data from the begining instead of planning to eventually do it one day only to give up uppon FBI request.