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We seem to hear the argument about the "end of physics" every so often, on multiple time scales. This argument usually arises in the context of high energy/par
by hpcjoe 6y ago
We seem to hear the argument about the "end of physics" every so often, on multiple time scales. This argument usually arises in the context of high energy/particle physics. Unfortunately for those saying things like this particle/high energy physics is not equivalent to "physics". Its not the entirety, nor the majority of physics.
Yet we keep seeing this discussed as if it is. This isn't an HN issue. This is an contextual issue in the broader physics community.
I've raised this point here, and other places, before. It is important to understand that people claiming an end to physics, are usually being hyperbolic about one specific subfield that seems to have run into a set of dead ends for the moment. Not the entirety of physics.
As I've noted, this is a recurring theme throughout physics. Max Planck was apparently told that there was "nothing new to be discovered in physics"[1]. There are other examples of this throughout history. Some of these theories had the weight of government or religious institutions behind them (earth-centric view of the universe, etc.). To question them was to be labeled a heretic, a blasphemer, or worse.
Physics isn't over. Not by a long shot. If someone wants to argue semantics over "fundamental" vs "non-fundamental", they are welcome to, though their argument will only contribute to hastening the heat death of the universe[2]. That is, energy will be expended for no useful work.
There are existing deep, profound questions, which are ultimately fundamental in nature, that we have not answered yet. And our asking of these questions, has exposed other concerns over our understanding of "fundamental" ... really ... foundational ... physics.
Some of these questions are opening profound links between seemingly disparate fields. That is, physics is getting broader and more intricate. Just because one small (yes, really) subfield nears its end (really due to economic and time constraints, you can't spend infinite amounts of money to build the next generations of colliders), doesn't mean the rest of the subfields are.
[1] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/bpplan.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/bpplan.html
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
- opmac 6y agoDid you even read the article? I feel like you just repeated like 90% of what it said.
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- hpcjoe 6y agoYes I did read the article. My post was commentary in support of its content, and opposed to the headline.
- omnicognate 6y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/science/what-makes-sand-soft.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/science/what-makes-sand-s...
- KineticLensman 6y agoYes. Personally, I'm sure that the end of Physics is just as likely as the End of History [0] that was announced after the fall of the Berlin Wall. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history#Francis_Fukuyama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history#Francis_Fukuyam...
- Koshkin 6y ago> Max Planck was apparently told... Physics has made a tremendous progress since then. So, while continuing to pour billions into HEP research, we can be pretty sure that historical parallels sometimes do not work.
- generalizations 6y agoPhysics had made tremendous progress in the time leading up to Max Planck, too. Your argument is basically the same one used last time. We just don't know what we don't know. I wouldn't bet that 'this time' we do actually know our stuff. It sounds too much like an elementary-school kid who has no conception of calculus and thinks once they've finished geometry they'll have learned all there is to know about math. "I've made tremendous progress in math since learning multiplication. Surely this time I'll have figured it all out. I already know division and exponents. What more could there possibly be after geometry?"