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This is a really good question, and it's the exactly the kind of question which needs to be asked but we're very afraid of what will happen when people start th

by Mizza 6y ago

This is a really good question, and it's the exactly the kind of question which needs to be asked but we're very afraid of what will happen when people start thinking about things like that. I'm going a bit out of bounds here, but I think we've already entered into an early phase of post-statehood already, but haven't really realized it yet. The American nation is completely subservient to those manning the helm of the financial structure and serves no other purpose to allow it to continue operating as smoothly as possible until there is no more profit left to extract. Politics and material conditions have become completely detached from each other, and I think the past two elections have completely proven this. There are still large ideological and political voids to explore. Where are the non-Marxist populist economists? Where are the conservative socialists? Why must we choose between 1800s Marxism and 21st century neoliberalism? People have been crying wolf about fascism a lot lately, but I think it there is a real danger that true fascism will emerge in a serious way once again once the dominoes start to fall in a few years if viable alternatives aren't developed in the meantime.

pjc50 6y ago
> Where are the non-Marxist populist economists? There have been some of those; populist handouts are popular with authoritarian leaders. Arguably this was the origin of fascism - explicitly anti-communist populist arguments for solutions to the bad economic conditions of the 1930s. > Where are the conservative socialists? Do Fabianism and Blairism meet this description?
bscphil 6y ago
Hang on, you are looking for "non-Marxist populist economists" but you're worried that "true fascism will emerge in a serious way"?? Which is it that you're worried about, communism or fascism? They're very different things. Even more so now that recent Marxist academics have mostly gone down explicitly anti-authoritarian routes. You want a third strain of populism that's "socialist" but not "Marxist"? What exactly is the "void" here?
- eru 6y ago
  The comment you replied to was perhaps a bit confused, but there's plenty of non-Marxist socialism out there. Marx is kind of overrated anyway. (And, of course, 'Marxism' is being thrown around as a general accusation a lot. Just like 'neoliberalism' was a popular slur.)

by Mizza 6y ago

pjc50 6y ago

> Where are the non-Marxist populist economists? There have been some of those; populist handouts are popular with authoritarian leaders. Arguably this was the origin of fascism - explicitly anti-communist populist arguments for solutions to the bad economic conditions of the 1930s. > Where are the conservative socialists? Do Fabianism and Blairism meet this description?

bscphil 6y ago

Hang on, you are looking for "non-Marxist populist economists" but you're worried that "true fascism will emerge in a serious way"?? Which is it that you're worried about, communism or fascism? They're very different things. Even more so now that recent Marxist academics have mostly gone down explicitly anti-authoritarian routes. You want a third strain of populism that's "socialist" but not "Marxist"? What exactly is the "void" here?

eru 6y ago
The comment you replied to was perhaps a bit confused, but there's plenty of non-Marxist socialism out there. Marx is kind of overrated anyway. (And, of course, 'Marxism' is being thrown around as a general accusation a lot. Just like 'neoliberalism' was a popular slur.)