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ELIZA passes the Turing test. The fundamental issue with the Turing test is that it doesn't even attempt to assess machine intelligence. Instead, it assesses hu
by dbspin 6y ago
ELIZA passes the Turing test. The fundamental issue with the Turing test is that it doesn't even attempt to assess machine intelligence. Instead, it assesses human ability to assess humanity. As walking talking pareidolia machines that anthropomorphise everything from toys to animals, to yes software, we're uniquely terrible at this.
Turing was a genius, but that doesn't make every thought experiment he transcribed - especially in the later stage of his life where he was drugged, alone and suicidally depressed - true.
- nl 6y agoEliza doesn't pass the Turing test. At best some modern, Eliza-derived systems can play tricks (pretend to be a non-native speaking teenage boy) well enough to sneak through a specific test that is somewhat like a minimal version of the thought experiment Turing talked about. It's clear reading Turing that he's talking about a long wide ranging conversation, not the time limited tests people perform now.
- dbspin 6y agoEliza does pass the Turing test in the original form proposed by Turing. There are many examples of people mistaking Eliza for a real person. Turing doesn't specify competition or specific training required for the 'tester'. It's pretty clear that people are projecting on Turing's (trivial and ill considered) thought experiment far more complexity and rigour than originally present in the form Turing suggests for his test. But that's beside the point. To reiterate, the central problem here is that intelligence, reflexivity, intentionality etc are not being assessed. Merely as Turing himself phrased it 'imitation'. This is all well and good if you view consciousness as epiphenomenal. But all that is being tested is our ability to be fooled into thinking our creations real, which is as old as storytelling.