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During the second half of the XXth century, the US did more bad than good. Again recently the intervention of the CIA in Yemen is unjustifiable. There is a trag

During the second half of the XXth century, the US did more bad than good. Again recently the intervention of the CIA in Yemen is unjustifiable. There is a tragic irony into thinking a libertarian country so violently interfered with others people affairs, and with so many of them on all continents. Most of the time favoring the establishment of a dictatorship. It is also funny to think that Trump, to my knowledge, did not engage in undercover or open military operations, whereas Obama, who passed for a dove certainly was not one. Anyway this is an era coming to an end. Let see what China will do with its superpowers when it is the 1st world economy. For sure it is already quite rough with its neighbors. Will its thirst for commerce refrain it to bomb other countries? Will it be technological bombs instead?

tokai 6y ago
>did not engage in undercover or open military operations He had an Iranian general assassinated.
- scoot_718 6y ago
  Who? Russia's pick for US President?
boomboomsubban 6y ago
>It is also funny to think that Trump, to my knowledge, did not engage in undercover or open military operations, whereas Obama, who passed for a dove certainly was not one. Though he has yet to start a new war, he had drastically increased bombing and drone strikes leading to far more civilian deaths than Obama.
- somesortofsystm 6y ago
  >Though he has yet to start a new war, he had drastically increased bombing and drone strikes leading to far more civilian deaths than Obama. Got some source data that backs up this claim?
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    Sure. Finding easy to read statistics is fairly difficult though, particularly with Trump ending some of the previous US reports on the subjects. https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/ https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civili... https://www.mintpressnews.com/trumps-drone-kill-rate-80-times-greater-than-under-bush/237075/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/trumps-drone-kill-rate-80-time... https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/airwars-annual-report-2019/ https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/airwars-annual-r...
    - somesortofsystm 6y ago
      Obama was the one who changed the rules about reporting civilian casualties. And none of these articles include any detail about Obama's track record. They seem to be ignoring his stats in an effort to pitch their story against Trump.
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        >Obama was the one who changed the rules about reporting civilian casualties. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-signs-executive-order-canceling-public-reports-on-civilian-drone-strike-deaths/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-signs-executive-order-can... >And none of these articles include any detail about Obama's track record. The first one is a bit lacking on Obama. The second compares the two numbers, and the third is an annual report. Some of the reports data goes back for years, others are in previous reports.
  - nksprzak 6y ago
    I found this to be the source of data for articles that make that claim. https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-01/drone-wars-the-full-data https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-01/dro...
    - somesortofsystm 6y ago
      Strangely omits Obama's first 4 years. I wonder why that is.

tokai 6y ago

>did not engage in undercover or open military operations He had an Iranian general assassinated.

scoot_718 6y ago
Who? Russia's pick for US President?

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>It is also funny to think that Trump, to my knowledge, did not engage in undercover or open military operations, whereas Obama, who passed for a dove certainly was not one. Though he has yet to start a new war, he had drastically increased bombing and drone strikes leading to far more civilian deaths than Obama.

somesortofsystm 6y ago
>Though he has yet to start a new war, he had drastically increased bombing and drone strikes leading to far more civilian deaths than Obama. Got some source data that backs up this claim?
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  Sure. Finding easy to read statistics is fairly difficult though, particularly with Trump ending some of the previous US reports on the subjects. https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/ https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civili... https://www.mintpressnews.com/trumps-drone-kill-rate-80-times-greater-than-under-bush/237075/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/trumps-drone-kill-rate-80-time... https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/airwars-annual-report-2019/ https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/airwars-annual-r...
  - somesortofsystm 6y ago
    Obama was the one who changed the rules about reporting civilian casualties. And none of these articles include any detail about Obama's track record. They seem to be ignoring his stats in an effort to pitch their story against Trump.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      >Obama was the one who changed the rules about reporting civilian casualties. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-signs-executive-order-canceling-public-reports-on-civilian-drone-strike-deaths/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-signs-executive-order-can... >And none of these articles include any detail about Obama's track record. The first one is a bit lacking on Obama. The second compares the two numbers, and the third is an annual report. Some of the reports data goes back for years, others are in previous reports.
- nksprzak 6y ago
  I found this to be the source of data for articles that make that claim. https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-01/drone-wars-the-full-data https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-01/dro...
  - somesortofsystm 6y ago
    Strangely omits Obama's first 4 years. I wonder why that is.