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What? Have you ever heard of soy, beans, lentils, chickpeas or the huge variety of seeds? You don't need meat to get your protein, as many eastern folks have pr

What? Have you ever heard of soy, beans, lentils, chickpeas or the huge variety of seeds? You don't need meat to get your protein, as many eastern folks have proofed over many many years.

throwaway189262 6y ago
Exactly, this huge variety of non-meat protein sources is new. As recent as 100 years ago you ate whatever you could get ahold of. And that always included some meat if you didn't want to die. Many of these new sources don't have complete protein profile needed to be healthy.
- mcntsh 6y ago
  [citation needed]
  - throwaway189262 6y ago
    Look at amino acid profile of these foods. Many of them do not provide "complete" protein. As in, they're missing some building blocks the human body can't fabricate. It's possible to have a healthy vegan diet but it's a lot of work because you have to look at what amino acids and various nutrients are missing. It's much easier to just add meat to your diet. And anecdotally, a lot of vegans buy the "healthy" marketing and don't even pay attention to things like amino acid profiles. Which is unhealthy and frankly dangerous
    - mcntsh 6y ago
      Again you're making all kinds of claims without any proof. Citation needed! All of these beans include all amino acids. They may not have 100% of your RDI in one serving, but they have them: 1. Black Beans: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173735/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173735/wt1/1... 2. Kidney Beans: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173740/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173740/wt1/1... 3. Chickpeas: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173757/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173757/wt1/1... 4. Hemp Seeds: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170148/wt9/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170148/wt9/1... 5. Beans/Rice/Corn together: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/175200-169998-168875/wt1-wt1-wt1/1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/175200-16999... 6. Toast w/ flax and peanut butter: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/174294-169414-174914/wt1-wt9-wt2/1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/174294-16941... And that's just scratching the surface. EDIT: Here's what I just had for breakfast: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170554-170187-169414-173905/wt1-wt6-wt9-wt1/1-1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170554-17018...
neverminder 6y ago
All that is meaningless considering that some of the most essential elements do not naturally exist in plant based food. Creatine, Taurine, Vitamins D3 and B12 just to name a few.
- SeriousM 6y ago
  You can supplement these elements as the animals you eat get this supplemented too. You don't need the animal medium to transport these elements.
- diydsp 6y ago
  Taurine is not essential. The body makes its own creatine and taurine.[0][1] B12 is available in a number of vegan sources[2], though vegans should generally supplement it. [0] https://veganhealth.org/taurine-and-carnitine/ https://veganhealth.org/taurine-and-carnitine/ [1] see "Creatine for Vegans" https://www.fitbod.me/blog/natural-food-sources-creatine https://www.fitbod.me/blog/natural-food-sources-creatine [2] https://www.freshnlean.com/blog/vegan-b12-sources/ https://www.freshnlean.com/blog/vegan-b12-sources/

What? Have you ever heard of soy, beans, lentils, chickpeas or the huge variety of seeds? You don't need meat to get your protein, as many eastern folks have proofed over many many years.

throwaway189262 6y ago

Exactly, this huge variety of non-meat protein sources is new. As recent as 100 years ago you ate whatever you could get ahold of. And that always included some meat if you didn't want to die. Many of these new sources don't have complete protein profile needed to be healthy.

mcntsh 6y ago
[citation needed]
- throwaway189262 6y ago
  Look at amino acid profile of these foods. Many of them do not provide "complete" protein. As in, they're missing some building blocks the human body can't fabricate. It's possible to have a healthy vegan diet but it's a lot of work because you have to look at what amino acids and various nutrients are missing. It's much easier to just add meat to your diet. And anecdotally, a lot of vegans buy the "healthy" marketing and don't even pay attention to things like amino acid profiles. Which is unhealthy and frankly dangerous
  - mcntsh 6y ago
    Again you're making all kinds of claims without any proof. Citation needed! All of these beans include all amino acids. They may not have 100% of your RDI in one serving, but they have them: 1. Black Beans: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173735/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173735/wt1/1... 2. Kidney Beans: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173740/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173740/wt1/1... 3. Chickpeas: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173757/wt1/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/173757/wt1/1... 4. Hemp Seeds: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170148/wt9/1/1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170148/wt9/1... 5. Beans/Rice/Corn together: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/175200-169998-168875/wt1-wt1-wt1/1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/175200-16999... 6. Toast w/ flax and peanut butter: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/174294-169414-174914/wt1-wt9-wt2/1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/174294-16941... And that's just scratching the surface. EDIT: Here's what I just had for breakfast: https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170554-170187-169414-173905/wt1-wt6-wt9-wt1/1-1-1-1 https://tools.myfooddata.com/protein-calculator/170554-17018...

neverminder 6y ago

All that is meaningless considering that some of the most essential elements do not naturally exist in plant based food. Creatine, Taurine, Vitamins D3 and B12 just to name a few.

SeriousM 6y ago
You can supplement these elements as the animals you eat get this supplemented too. You don't need the animal medium to transport these elements.
diydsp 6y ago
Taurine is not essential. The body makes its own creatine and taurine.[0][1] B12 is available in a number of vegan sources[2], though vegans should generally supplement it. [0] https://veganhealth.org/taurine-and-carnitine/ https://veganhealth.org/taurine-and-carnitine/ [1] see "Creatine for Vegans" https://www.fitbod.me/blog/natural-food-sources-creatine https://www.fitbod.me/blog/natural-food-sources-creatine [2] https://www.freshnlean.com/blog/vegan-b12-sources/ https://www.freshnlean.com/blog/vegan-b12-sources/