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By default stripe.js (one version ago), the default button they included on their getting start page does the same thing, it took us a really long time to imple

By default stripe.js (one version ago), the default button they included on their getting start page does the same thing, it took us a really long time to implement the custom api that will only submit the credit card number info + amount charged + zip to strip and rest of stuff (customer name, email address, phone number and transactions, etc) to our server. What bothers me about these lowering the bar for new front end developer/designer is that it is free feast for these kind of non compliance :(

deepstack 6y ago
I also am very upset how the bar got lower for web developer. It just some how developer becomes a cool thing to do, and people who are not even interested in development jumped on the band wagon it is very annoying for people who truly understand the development and coding process and being doing it before it was cool.
- egeozcan 6y ago
  Development was always cool, no? Why the hate for newcomers, people got to start somewhere, right?
  - deepstack 6y ago
    yes. It is ok if someone doesn't know anything and want to learn as a coder/developer. What I find mostly is that new comers are usually just following the trend or the pay. It is quite a turn off. I'm sure the musicians and artists can relate to that. And often the experienced developer end up cleaning up their stuff, then they move on to another track to be manager or something. (that's to answer your question).
    - madeofpalk 6y ago
      Don't gatekeep.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - deepstack 6y ago
        there is no gatekeeping. Everything is online! If you are interested you can learn it. Don't jump on band wagon because of trend or the pay! software development is NOT for everyone. Either you got or you put in a lot of work and get it. Other wise go do something else.
        pratio 6y ago
        Why not?, if you are born and raised in a country where the economy isn't great and software development is going to be your way out then following the trend is an excellent way to get hired. Yes, they won't be like me but so what? someday they'll start cleaning up and contributing too. Someone's got to have a chance to get out of the grind.
        meiraleal 6y ago
        Software development IS for everyone. Don't like one, don't hire them. You are exactly gatekeeping, but who said you are what I or others here consider a good developer?
        k__ 6y ago
        Sorry, but this opinion is what's wrong with the industry for decades now. Don't judge people by the reasons they want to become devs. I wanted to do it out of passion, I do it even in my free time, when I'm bored, but many people don't and that's okay.
        madeofpalk 6y ago
        You are gate keeping by saying that you have to have some intangible special quality to be a "software developer". This is a toxic view that spreads doubt and division inside people. Programming isn’t special. If someone wants to do it for a job, so be it. Shame on you for trying to gatekeeper what they learn or do.
- aseipp 6y ago
  At least in the US, wages have been stagnant for a vast majority of blue collar jobs for decades, while the cost of living, higher education, healthcare, and childcare have risen astronomically. Computer programming pays good money and often requires no higher education to acquire a job (especially when, again, higher ed can put you in debt for literal decades). It's not a mystery why people here want to do it even if they had no interest before. You don't have to be a genius to put 2 and 2 together and figure it out. Based on living in the US and seeing many reactions similar to yours over time, I would say your "problem" isn't that new people are getting into an industry. Your problem is that you need to get over yourself and grow up. Sorry the normies make it hard for you to think of yourself as an elit3 uberhax0r anymore, but nobody really cares.
  - ghthor 6y ago
    I liked where your comment started, but that ending, ewww. I'm not the author you responded to but I read it more like. I'm tired of these people that dont understand how easy it is to violate personal privacy with digital technology getting into digital technology.
- codingdave 6y ago
  I'm sorry, but that attitude is absurd. Software development is a job. There is nothing wrong with taking a job because of the paycheck. Many of the startups discussed on HN are not doing it for "the art" of software development, they are seeking money. The VCs that drive the startup world are doing it for money. Telling coders that they need to be in it for the craft of coding while everyone else around them is in it for the money... that is simply unreasonable. I'm happy for you that you love the work so much to even have such a perspective. But it isn't a fair perspective to everyone else.

deepstack 6y ago

I also am very upset how the bar got lower for web developer. It just some how developer becomes a cool thing to do, and people who are not even interested in development jumped on the band wagon it is very annoying for people who truly understand the development and coding process and being doing it before it was cool.

egeozcan 6y ago
Development was always cool, no? Why the hate for newcomers, people got to start somewhere, right?
- deepstack 6y ago
  yes. It is ok if someone doesn't know anything and want to learn as a coder/developer. What I find mostly is that new comers are usually just following the trend or the pay. It is quite a turn off. I'm sure the musicians and artists can relate to that. And often the experienced developer end up cleaning up their stuff, then they move on to another track to be manager or something. (that's to answer your question).
  - madeofpalk 6y ago
    Don't gatekeep.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - deepstack 6y ago
      there is no gatekeeping. Everything is online! If you are interested you can learn it. Don't jump on band wagon because of trend or the pay! software development is NOT for everyone. Either you got or you put in a lot of work and get it. Other wise go do something else.
      - pratio 6y ago
        Why not?, if you are born and raised in a country where the economy isn't great and software development is going to be your way out then following the trend is an excellent way to get hired. Yes, they won't be like me but so what? someday they'll start cleaning up and contributing too. Someone's got to have a chance to get out of the grind.
      - meiraleal 6y ago
        Software development IS for everyone. Don't like one, don't hire them. You are exactly gatekeeping, but who said you are what I or others here consider a good developer?
      - k__ 6y ago
        Sorry, but this opinion is what's wrong with the industry for decades now. Don't judge people by the reasons they want to become devs. I wanted to do it out of passion, I do it even in my free time, when I'm bored, but many people don't and that's okay.
      - madeofpalk 6y ago
        You are gate keeping by saying that you have to have some intangible special quality to be a "software developer". This is a toxic view that spreads doubt and division inside people. Programming isn’t special. If someone wants to do it for a job, so be it. Shame on you for trying to gatekeeper what they learn or do.
aseipp 6y ago
At least in the US, wages have been stagnant for a vast majority of blue collar jobs for decades, while the cost of living, higher education, healthcare, and childcare have risen astronomically. Computer programming pays good money and often requires no higher education to acquire a job (especially when, again, higher ed can put you in debt for literal decades). It's not a mystery why people here want to do it even if they had no interest before. You don't have to be a genius to put 2 and 2 together and figure it out. Based on living in the US and seeing many reactions similar to yours over time, I would say your "problem" isn't that new people are getting into an industry. Your problem is that you need to get over yourself and grow up. Sorry the normies make it hard for you to think of yourself as an elit3 uberhax0r anymore, but nobody really cares.
- ghthor 6y ago
  I liked where your comment started, but that ending, ewww. I'm not the author you responded to but I read it more like. I'm tired of these people that dont understand how easy it is to violate personal privacy with digital technology getting into digital technology.
codingdave 6y ago
I'm sorry, but that attitude is absurd. Software development is a job. There is nothing wrong with taking a job because of the paycheck. Many of the startups discussed on HN are not doing it for "the art" of software development, they are seeking money. The VCs that drive the startup world are doing it for money. Telling coders that they need to be in it for the craft of coding while everyone else around them is in it for the money... that is simply unreasonable. I'm happy for you that you love the work so much to even have such a perspective. But it isn't a fair perspective to everyone else.