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It’s not a non-issue at all. I want to reboot my computer so, you, computer, reboot now. There’s no way to interrupt the process or force the reboot just like

It’s not a non-issue at all. I want to reboot my computer so, you, computer, reboot now. There’s no way to interrupt the process or force the reboot just like with any other process.

jolux 6y ago
killall Finder ?
pugworthy 6y ago
But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.
- notRobot 6y ago
  > But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    >I don't intend to be hostile towards you. You fooled me.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    THANK YOU, brother! I really hate this (not so recent) concept of having to ask my computer “pretty please, with sugar on top, do this thing.” When I command my computer to do something I expect it to do that thing immediately. Not ask me if I’m sure, not do it later when it’s not too busy, not do something else because AI. Do it right now! Even the wording has changed. We used to command our computers, now we issue requests. And maybe if the computer feels like it, it will actually listen to the user. On PCs it all started with the “shutdown” button. Used to be, when you wanted to turn your computer off, you flipped the mechanical switch and it’s off. Now we have all these buffers to flush and caches to sync, and inscrutable background tasks doing god knows what that you have to wait for. So now instead of the switch you need to ask very nicely: “Please oh wise computer, do this thing that was instant and reliable before!”
    - FpUser 6y ago
      You still have that switch on the back of the PC in case you did not notice.
  - pugworthy 6y ago
    It's also your "fucking" phone. You own your car but you don't demand the right to turn it off any time you want, nor to drive any way you want. You don't do it because you know there are consequences if you do. If you're happy with bad things happening "because I have the right to do it", then well... by all means proceed.
    - Brian_K_White 6y ago
      I rarely want to, but in fact I can turn off my car at any time, and have, and it would be an intolerable problem to discover some day that I was not in control of my car. You have presented no argument. It's bad enough that it's impossible for anything to be perfect, and so even when you do your honest best, I will not be in control of my car once in a while because something simply broke. (I pressed the brake, the car didn't stop) But there is no excuse for artificially injecting avoidable breakage by having things decide not to work, on top of the unavoidable honest breakage. It is ultimately, and fundamentally, wrong to try to predict all valid actions ahead of time and provide some sort of managed answer for all the actions you though of and decided are the universe of valid actions.
- refried_ 6y ago
  Yeah, phone syncing is not a critical task. Alternative: Finder is currently syncing your phone and you click “Cancel Reboot” for the next 10 seconds if you want. Otherwise your phone sync will be canceled, your computer will restart, and you can restart the phone sync later.
- toast0 6y ago
  If you stop a disk format in the middle, you have to start from the beginning. I'd imagine the same thing would happen with a sync. If you stop in the middle of a firmware upgrade, it's a bit more fussy; a good process would just need to be started over, but sometimes you need to do an emergency procedure (and sometimes the emergency procedure involves an external firmware programmer, which is exciting).
seorphates 6y ago
sudo reboot

It’s not a non-issue at all. I want to reboot my computer so, you, computer, reboot now. There’s no way to interrupt the process or force the reboot just like with any other process.

jolux 6y ago

killall Finder ?

pugworthy 6y ago

But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.

notRobot 6y ago
> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  >I don't intend to be hostile towards you. You fooled me.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- ryandrake 6y ago
  THANK YOU, brother! I really hate this (not so recent) concept of having to ask my computer “pretty please, with sugar on top, do this thing.” When I command my computer to do something I expect it to do that thing immediately. Not ask me if I’m sure, not do it later when it’s not too busy, not do something else because AI. Do it right now! Even the wording has changed. We used to command our computers, now we issue requests. And maybe if the computer feels like it, it will actually listen to the user. On PCs it all started with the “shutdown” button. Used to be, when you wanted to turn your computer off, you flipped the mechanical switch and it’s off. Now we have all these buffers to flush and caches to sync, and inscrutable background tasks doing god knows what that you have to wait for. So now instead of the switch you need to ask very nicely: “Please oh wise computer, do this thing that was instant and reliable before!”
  - FpUser 6y ago
    You still have that switch on the back of the PC in case you did not notice.
- pugworthy 6y ago
  It's also your "fucking" phone. You own your car but you don't demand the right to turn it off any time you want, nor to drive any way you want. You don't do it because you know there are consequences if you do. If you're happy with bad things happening "because I have the right to do it", then well... by all means proceed.
  - Brian_K_White 6y ago
    I rarely want to, but in fact I can turn off my car at any time, and have, and it would be an intolerable problem to discover some day that I was not in control of my car. You have presented no argument. It's bad enough that it's impossible for anything to be perfect, and so even when you do your honest best, I will not be in control of my car once in a while because something simply broke. (I pressed the brake, the car didn't stop) But there is no excuse for artificially injecting avoidable breakage by having things decide not to work, on top of the unavoidable honest breakage. It is ultimately, and fundamentally, wrong to try to predict all valid actions ahead of time and provide some sort of managed answer for all the actions you though of and decided are the universe of valid actions.
refried_ 6y ago
Yeah, phone syncing is not a critical task. Alternative: Finder is currently syncing your phone and you click “Cancel Reboot” for the next 10 seconds if you want. Otherwise your phone sync will be canceled, your computer will restart, and you can restart the phone sync later.
toast0 6y ago
If you stop a disk format in the middle, you have to start from the beginning. I'd imagine the same thing would happen with a sync. If you stop in the middle of a firmware upgrade, it's a bit more fussy; a good process would just need to be started over, but sometimes you need to do an emergency procedure (and sometimes the emergency procedure involves an external firmware programmer, which is exciting).

seorphates 6y ago

sudo reboot