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Probably not very good, but the recent Ryzen offerings are still pretty strong, as is the very newest Intel stuff. See for example the 4900HS & 4800U on this An

Probably not very good, but the recent Ryzen offerings are still pretty strong, as is the very newest Intel stuff. See for example the 4900HS & 4800U on this Anandtech chart comparing spec2017 vs. the M1: https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119365.png https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119365.png That's basically just sorted by power consumption. 4900HS is the most power used & fastest, followed by the ~22W M1 with all 8 cores loaded, then the 15W 4800U, and then the M1 with just the 4 bigs was last.

ben-schaaf 6y ago
And the thing to remember here is that the 4900HS and 4800U aren't just a process node behind, they're 2 full generations behind. Given the gains from Zen 3 it looks like AMD is in a good position to leapfrog the M1 with the next product cycle, not to mention gains from 5nm in the cycle after that.
- kelchm 6y ago
  You say that as if Apple hasn’t been delivering yearly performance improvements in their SoCs like clockwork. They’ve roughly tripled the performance in the last five years between the A9 and A14. AMD has done a great job with Zen 3 in particular, but IMO they are going to really struggle to compete with what Apple is able to do with ARM.
  - sliken 6y ago
    Dunno, the zen 3 cores are pretty competitive with the M1. Sure they use more power, so you'll need to make do with somewhat larger batteries and somewhat smaller runtimes. The performance/core is pretty similar, even if the M1 has the edge. I'd rather have a zen 5000 APU (due at CES in Jan), 32GB ram, and a 12 hour battery life and be able to run linux than a M1, 16GB ram, and 20 hour life and only be able to run OSX. Similar the Intel NUC like AMD products are hitting, I expect them to be pretty attractive with the zen 3 APUs. Sure I'd buy an M1, just not sure I want to switch to OSX, even the cut/paste inconsistencies drive me batty.
zamadatix 6y ago
Just to note this is probably the single most slanted you could pick for M1 vs Zen 3 performance. For instance I could pull this graph instead https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119343.png https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119343.png and make the exact opposite claim. In reality it's probably best to read the full review and come to your own conclusions https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/ https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... The truth is desktop Zen 3 is only decently ahead of certain multi core workloads at 10x or more the wattage, the rest is either very close or somehow behind. The mobile versions are already going to be week in comparison and it's going to be nothing but a travesty if the best hardware stays vendor locked to Apple only. Especially when the M2 (or whatever is next) rolls around as Apple has been on a steeper trajectory with in house silicon than Zen has been.
- kllrnohj 6y ago
  > The truth is desktop Zen 3 is only decently ahead of certain multi core workloads at 10x or more the wattage, Zen 3 was never really compared to M1 in multicore workloads in that Anandtech M1 article. You linked a single-core one, and Zen 3 isn't using 10x the power in that single-threaded comparison, either. Also the 27W TDP i7-1185G7 is keeping up with the also around 25w TDP M1 in spec2017 single-threaded. M1 is still faster, but more in the realm of a typical generational improvement.
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ben-schaaf 6y ago

And the thing to remember here is that the 4900HS and 4800U aren't just a process node behind, they're 2 full generations behind. Given the gains from Zen 3 it looks like AMD is in a good position to leapfrog the M1 with the next product cycle, not to mention gains from 5nm in the cycle after that.

kelchm 6y ago
You say that as if Apple hasn’t been delivering yearly performance improvements in their SoCs like clockwork. They’ve roughly tripled the performance in the last five years between the A9 and A14. AMD has done a great job with Zen 3 in particular, but IMO they are going to really struggle to compete with what Apple is able to do with ARM.
- sliken 6y ago
  Dunno, the zen 3 cores are pretty competitive with the M1. Sure they use more power, so you'll need to make do with somewhat larger batteries and somewhat smaller runtimes. The performance/core is pretty similar, even if the M1 has the edge. I'd rather have a zen 5000 APU (due at CES in Jan), 32GB ram, and a 12 hour battery life and be able to run linux than a M1, 16GB ram, and 20 hour life and only be able to run OSX. Similar the Intel NUC like AMD products are hitting, I expect them to be pretty attractive with the zen 3 APUs. Sure I'd buy an M1, just not sure I want to switch to OSX, even the cut/paste inconsistencies drive me batty.

zamadatix 6y ago

Just to note this is probably the single most slanted you could pick for M1 vs Zen 3 performance. For instance I could pull this graph instead https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119343.png https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16252/119343.png and make the exact opposite claim. In reality it's probably best to read the full review and come to your own conclusions https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/ https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... The truth is desktop Zen 3 is only decently ahead of certain multi core workloads at 10x or more the wattage, the rest is either very close or somehow behind. The mobile versions are already going to be week in comparison and it's going to be nothing but a travesty if the best hardware stays vendor locked to Apple only. Especially when the M2 (or whatever is next) rolls around as Apple has been on a steeper trajectory with in house silicon than Zen has been.

kllrnohj 6y ago
> The truth is desktop Zen 3 is only decently ahead of certain multi core workloads at 10x or more the wattage, Zen 3 was never really compared to M1 in multicore workloads in that Anandtech M1 article. You linked a single-core one, and Zen 3 isn't using 10x the power in that single-threaded comparison, either. Also the 27W TDP i7-1185G7 is keeping up with the also around 25w TDP M1 in spec2017 single-threaded. M1 is still faster, but more in the realm of a typical generational improvement.
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