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No it makes a ton of sense. 100k is too small to have a researcher focus on full time. His compensation is probably 500k or more. Then add in fees, infra, cost

No it makes a ton of sense. 100k is too small to have a researcher focus on full time. His compensation is probably 500k or more. Then add in fees, infra, cost of regulations, etc and small time strategies arent developed. Making money in the market is completely overrated from a difficulty perspective, the hard part is managing billions.

xapata 6y ago
You're saying it'd require a salary of $500k or more to find someone competent enough to manage an investment opportunity worth $100k annually? That implies the investment opportunities are actually quite complicated. Obviously, opportunities exist for investment gains at all magnitudes. The question was whether they're easy enough for the average Jolanda. If Jolanda would require $500k annual salary to do the work, then, that easy opportunity doesn't really exist at all. Alternately, if Jolanda doesn't need to make this opportunity her full-time job, then the investment company can pay her $500k to manage many of these small opportunities. After all, there must be many opportunities. Otherwise only 1 of the HN readers would be able to exploit it. In which case, again, it doesn't really exist at all.
- logicslave 6y ago
  Honestly, you seem like youre trying to reason this out with zero experience in the field. You cant just "run statistics to identify strategies". I'm not going to go into it further because you know nothing
  - xapata 6y ago
    I'm not sure how you came to either of those assumptions. First, I'm an economist. Second, I didn't suggest any method for identifying strategies. The question is the number of potential strategies. If it's relatively easy to make money investing on a small scale, that means there are many potential strategies that don't require someone's full attention. If there are many potential strategies that don't require full attention, then someone skilled can go after many of those potential strategies and transform the small-scale into a large-scale opportunity. Since we've already established that these large-scale opportunities are hard ...
    - logicslave 6y ago
      15% return on 5 billion is much higher than 100% return on 1 million. Its economics. Secondly, economics has nothing to do with investing, and is worthless. The sum of managing 1000 small strategies is way more work than the number you would manage with billions. And yes, there is easy money laying around if you know what youre doing. There are dollar bills laying on the ground for smaller scale strats.
      - xapata 6y ago
        I don't see why those particular magnitude calculations are relevant to this analysis. > economics has nothing to do with investing, and is worthless Is it worthless because it has nothing to do with investing, or has nothing to do with investing because it's worthless? Further, why do you think the Federal Reserve hires so many economists if economics is worthless? > And yes, there is easy money laying around if you know what youre doing. There are dollar bills laying on the ground for smaller scale strats. People just arent taking about them Isn't that like saying, "Winning chess tournaments is easy if you know what you're doing."? If something requires expertise, then it isn't easy. If finding these smaller scale strategies requires expertise, then the expert probably has better things to do with their time. I suppose that holds to arguing with idiots on Hacker News.
        logicslave 6y ago
        I used to work on a team mixed of economics PhDs from Yale/Princeton/Harvard and with Phd Mathematicians. I know what economics is. All the best hedge funds are run by either math people or ruthless business men who cheat/activist invest/have non public information. Also, the FED is in the process of destroying the US dollar and hyper inflating all the assets. Everyone but the capitalists are getting poorer. The "Chief Economists" of many major US banks dont even hold economics degrees. People arent rational actors that you can plug into a math equation. "If finding these smaller scale strategies requires expertise, then the expert probably has better things to do with their time. I suppose that holds to arguing with idiots on Hacker News." Theres alot of friction of getting data to analyze, developing a strategy, executing the strategy, paying fees, managing risk, hedging. If you know how to do all that, you are probably already employed in that capacity or you run your own fund. But yes, if youre smart you can find an edge. Theres a ton of small man shops in NYC with 5 million in capital where everyone makes 600-1M a year.

xapata 6y ago

You're saying it'd require a salary of $500k or more to find someone competent enough to manage an investment opportunity worth $100k annually? That implies the investment opportunities are actually quite complicated. Obviously, opportunities exist for investment gains at all magnitudes. The question was whether they're easy enough for the average Jolanda. If Jolanda would require $500k annual salary to do the work, then, that easy opportunity doesn't really exist at all. Alternately, if Jolanda doesn't need to make this opportunity her full-time job, then the investment company can pay her $500k to manage many of these small opportunities. After all, there must be many opportunities. Otherwise only 1 of the HN readers would be able to exploit it. In which case, again, it doesn't really exist at all.

logicslave 6y ago
Honestly, you seem like youre trying to reason this out with zero experience in the field. You cant just "run statistics to identify strategies". I'm not going to go into it further because you know nothing
- xapata 6y ago
  I'm not sure how you came to either of those assumptions. First, I'm an economist. Second, I didn't suggest any method for identifying strategies. The question is the number of potential strategies. If it's relatively easy to make money investing on a small scale, that means there are many potential strategies that don't require someone's full attention. If there are many potential strategies that don't require full attention, then someone skilled can go after many of those potential strategies and transform the small-scale into a large-scale opportunity. Since we've already established that these large-scale opportunities are hard ...
  - logicslave 6y ago
    15% return on 5 billion is much higher than 100% return on 1 million. Its economics. Secondly, economics has nothing to do with investing, and is worthless. The sum of managing 1000 small strategies is way more work than the number you would manage with billions. And yes, there is easy money laying around if you know what youre doing. There are dollar bills laying on the ground for smaller scale strats.
    - xapata 6y ago
      I don't see why those particular magnitude calculations are relevant to this analysis. > economics has nothing to do with investing, and is worthless Is it worthless because it has nothing to do with investing, or has nothing to do with investing because it's worthless? Further, why do you think the Federal Reserve hires so many economists if economics is worthless? > And yes, there is easy money laying around if you know what youre doing. There are dollar bills laying on the ground for smaller scale strats. People just arent taking about them Isn't that like saying, "Winning chess tournaments is easy if you know what you're doing."? If something requires expertise, then it isn't easy. If finding these smaller scale strategies requires expertise, then the expert probably has better things to do with their time. I suppose that holds to arguing with idiots on Hacker News.
      - logicslave 6y ago
        I used to work on a team mixed of economics PhDs from Yale/Princeton/Harvard and with Phd Mathematicians. I know what economics is. All the best hedge funds are run by either math people or ruthless business men who cheat/activist invest/have non public information. Also, the FED is in the process of destroying the US dollar and hyper inflating all the assets. Everyone but the capitalists are getting poorer. The "Chief Economists" of many major US banks dont even hold economics degrees. People arent rational actors that you can plug into a math equation. "If finding these smaller scale strategies requires expertise, then the expert probably has better things to do with their time. I suppose that holds to arguing with idiots on Hacker News." Theres alot of friction of getting data to analyze, developing a strategy, executing the strategy, paying fees, managing risk, hedging. If you know how to do all that, you are probably already employed in that capacity or you run your own fund. But yes, if youre smart you can find an edge. Theres a ton of small man shops in NYC with 5 million in capital where everyone makes 600-1M a year.