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Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?
- iab 6y agoWait, are you saying you don’t want this??
- geophile 6y agoHe is probably asking for the sync to be interruptible, and automatically restarted later. Which is completely reasonable.
- happytoexplain 6y agoTotally agree about the nature of what appears to be the ultimate point the author is making. They really should have focused their criticism to avoid appearing unreasonable.
- iab 6y agoYes indeed, the humor in my comment didn't land. The device coupling is out of hand, like when your phone rings and the watch, computer, fridge an vacuum also buzz.
- happytoexplain 6y agoThe actual complaint here appears to be that a iPhone sync can't be interrupted. Is that true? The reboot complaint appears to be a complete misdirect and a non-issue.
- bamboleo 6y agoIt’s not a non-issue at all. I want to reboot my computer so, you, computer, reboot now. There’s no way to interrupt the process or force the reboot just like with any other process.
- jolux 6y agokillall Finder ?
- pugworthy 6y agoBut if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.
- notRobot 6y ago> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.
- happytoexplain 6y ago>I don't intend to be hostile towards you. You fooled me.
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- ryandrake 6y agoTHANK YOU, brother! I really hate this (not so recent) concept of having to ask my computer “pretty please, with sugar on top, do this thing.” When I command my computer to do something I expect it to do that thing immediately. Not ask me if I’m sure, not do it later when it’s not too busy, not do something else because AI. Do it right now! Even the wording has changed. We used to command our computers, now we issue requests. And maybe if the computer feels like it, it will actually listen to the user. On PCs it all started with the “shutdown” button. Used to be, when you wanted to turn your computer off, you flipped the mechanical switch and it’s off. Now we have all these buffers to flush and caches to sync, and inscrutable background tasks doing god knows what that you have to wait for. So now instead of the switch you need to ask very nicely: “Please oh wise computer, do this thing that was instant and reliable before!”
- daniellarusso 6y agoCan you disable wifi/bluetooth/network on the computer and then reboot?
- gamblor956 6y agoI have rebooted my (windows) PC every day for the last year. I only reboot my phone when it has a system update. Sounds like just another problem with the Big Sur update for MacOS.
- donatj 6y agoI have not rebooted my Mac since COVID started fwiw.
- zenexer 6y agoYikes--that's not good. You really do need those security updates; they're not optional if your Mac is connected to the internet or has any form of communication with the outside world. There have been some nasty vulnerabilities over the past year.
- gamblor956 6y agoI reboot my (primary) PC daily because my company's security policy requires a daily reboot. My personal/gaming PC only gets rebooted when Windows mandates a reboot.
- myrandomcomment 6y agoIt’s annoying. Kill the Finder and you can reboot, or turn of wifi on the phone.
- dmpayton 6y ago> I tried quite a few things on both devices... I wonder what was tried? Disable bluetooth and wifi on the computer? Put the phone into airplane mode? `sudo reboot` from the terminal?
- eru 6y agoI wonder whether force killing finder might work?
- chubot 6y agoReminds me of Lamport's quip: A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't even know existed can render your own computer unusable. https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/distributed-system.txt https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/pubs/distributed-system.tx... Although sure you know about your phone, but I still find the failure mode funny (and I've experienced similar things) The core problem seems to be synchronization of (persistent) state, which Lamport knows something about ...
- arthurcolle 6y agoYeah, I do remember. Big Sur is such a joke of an update, it's almost farcical. Basic functionality doesn't work, and yet again, core functionality has increased its memory usage by >15%. I have the highest spec'ed 16 inch macbook pro, and while running some Docker containers and some data ingestion scripts, my battery is drained (while plugged in!) to 5%. I will never buy another Apple computer again. I have work to do.
- crazygringo 6y agoUm, this is a feature not a bug. If you're syncing with an iOS device in Finder, well cancel that first. Lots of applications can prevent rebooting to avoid data loss. Again, this is a GOOD thing. Sheesh.
- bobsoap 6y agoHe said he couldn't cancel. The article is not that long, it's not hard to find.
- Hnrobert42 6y agoIt is against HN guidelines to imply that another poster did not read the article. E: for reference: > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article.
- crazygringo 6y agoSometimes processes hang -- bugs exist -- and there's no getting around it but to kill them. (The author doesn't even explain exactly what they were doing or why they couldn't cancel it, but every major Finder file operation I'm aware of has a status bar and a cancel button.) I'd still rather my OS refuse to shut down because it thinks a process could lose data. Because at the end of the day I can always just hold down the power button to turn it off, you know?
- MrStonedOne 6y agoA good thing would be including a force restart button. Also if you read the article, they said they couldn't figure out a way to stop the sync other then rebooting their phone, which likely has a higher chance of causing dataloss.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> Um, this is a feature not a bug. Not allowing reboot during sync without a warning is a feature. Not allowing you to cancel the operation from the warning is a missing obvious feature. Not having a discoverable method besides rebooting the phone to cancel the sync operation is a major UX flaw, though probably more of a design flaw than a bug, sensu stricto.
- cdeutsch 6y agoApple is bad at software. Impatiently waiting for people to realize this.
- masswerk 6y agoHowever, Snow Leopard was great software.
- exabrial 6y agoYep, Agree with that... It was fast, thin, and documented.
- swiley 6y agoThey're not just bad at software, they're bad and abuse their users by disallowing using anything else. Most people probably wouldn't care if Apple at least did a decent job.
- djrogers 6y agoWait, people still sync their phones? I thought that went away about 5 years ago... At least that’s the last time I or any of the people I ‘friend support’ for did so...
- accrual 6y agoI do it when I dump photos to my NAS with Image Capture. I've never needed an iPhone backup... but it's nice to know it's there if I do. I think it's crazy to keep more than a few months of photos on a handheld device unless you routinely backup or subscribe to a service or iCloud. Some of my friends have years of photos and no backup. :(
- FpUser 6y agoI keep everything backed up on my office server which are in turn backed up to other servers that I rent/colocate. I keep nothing on cloud.
- AnonC 6y agoYup. Syncing is cheaper, faster, easier to access and more in your control than iCloud is (or can hope to be).
- exabrial 6y agoIn the defense of the 20yr something Apple coder who wrote that, when are you not attached to your phone? What else would you be doing?
- cm2187 6y agoIt’s untestable in California!
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- pico303 6y agoThese days I usually reboot my top of the line MacBook Pro by holding down the power key.
- bfgoodrich 6y agoRemarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or countless other tasks, any reasonable OS does exactly the same thing -- it asks the various subsystems if now is a good time, if not it delays the reboot. He could forcefully stop the sync (which would make it not an issue, while forfeiting the work it had done thus far), and he could forcefully reboot his computer, but this has positively nothing to do with "you have to reboot your phone first". There needs to be a moratorium on these sorts of low-info, low-effort posts. It's just pandering to a base.
- happytoexplain 6y agoExactly. Ideally, a sync is silently interruptible, or at least can be easily manually paused. That's the actual, and legitimate, issue. Being "unable to reboot" because of the in-progress operation is a derivative result, and the author is misleading by making that the title, for the purpose of creating a more provocative headline.
- weikju 6y agoNot entirely correct. I've run into this problem on Catalina as well, and very often it IS a bug with the phone syncing (yes people still sync, we're not all backing up our phones to iCloud). The phone appears to be done syncing, there's no progress bar/circle/spinner anywhere, the phone might even be disconnected from USB (though some syncing can happen over wifi), and YET, and yet! The Mac refuses to let go and reboot. Unlike the blog author though, I figured out that 'sudo reboot' works very well in this situation...
- ironmagma 6y agoA sync should be an atomic operation. Or at the very least, reversible if it gets interrupted. In that case, a reboot should be able to happen at any time.
- Sigmoid 6y agoDont ask questions, just consume Apple product and get excited for new Apple products.
- AnonC 6y agoHow about just holding the power button on the Mac down for several seconds if shutting down from menu options is not working? The user doesn’t seem to mind losing data on the phone by interrupting a sync operation in some unknown state or doesn’t seem to mind losing any data on the Mac by a forced shutdown either.
- Markoff 6y agoyes I remember, I use Windows PC and don't have such issues