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Because it would add unnecessary complexity to the system. It's a waste of time.

ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
This has been a shitty thread to read, tbh. It's clearly not pointless if there are improvements which could be made to make the product more spec-compliant, such as handling terminating dots in Host headers. And I'm saying this as someone who's never used Caddy for anything, ever.
- francislavoie 6y ago
  If you want the background story: https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues/1632 https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues/1632 This is all from four years ago. And kuschku hasn't taken no for an answer after all this time. It's frustrating and annoying to hear their complaints on every HN thread since. I agree with you the thread is shitty. I'm just hoping being direct will end the trolling.
  - kuschku 6y ago
    Is it "trolling" if one expects a webserver to work like every other webserver, even offering to make the required changes? If you want to learn why supporting FQDNs is important, you can actually read the issue and PR on the traefik repo where they chose to add support for this: https://github.com/traefik/traefik/issues/4622 https://github.com/traefik/traefik/issues/4622 https://github.com/traefik/traefik/pull/4763 https://github.com/traefik/traefik/pull/4763 They just accepted the issue, and fixed it. Super easy, no 4 years of "no one needs this" "no you're wrong" "the specs are wrong" "you're trolling"
    - francislavoie 6y ago
      Yes, because Caddy is not like every other webserver. It also automates TLS management, can act as an ACME server, etc. You make it out to be a simple change, but it's really not. And the arguments for making any changes are not compelling enough to warrant the risks involved. Compliance for the sake of compliance is completely pointless.
      - kuschku 6y ago
        > Yes, because Caddy is not like every other webserver. It also automates TLS management, can act as an ACME server, etc. That’s why I’m comparing it to traefik, which can also automate TLS management, in the exact same way (even using the same libraries for most of the functionality, they’re after all both go webservers). > And the arguments for making any changes are not compelling enough to warrant the risks involved Why is it that you think you know better than the maintainers of e.g. traefik? It’s not like this is legacy functionality they kept around just for the sake of it, they added it in 2019 because there’s demand for it, today.
        francislavoie 6y ago
        > even using the same libraries for most of the functionality Actually no, not anymore. https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/pull/3621 https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/pull/3621 > because there’s demand for it, today We've only seen the demand from you. Nobody else. One individual isn't enough demand.
        mholt 6y ago
        > even using the same libraries for most of the functionality You're wrong. Caddy uses a superior library that's been more stress-tested at scale in production: https://github.com/caddyserver/certmagic https://github.com/caddyserver/certmagic and https://github.com/mholt/acmez https://github.com/mholt/acmez - neither of which lego uses. Bugs and limitations in lego caused severe problems for several of our larger customers.
  - carstenhag 6y ago
    Hello, ironically it was me who has created that issue some years ago. I saw that http://ai./ http://ai./ works in a browser and wondered why chagemann.de. doesn't. The culprit was caddy, and the caddy maintainer didn't want to fix it (or apparently accept PRs fixing it). Not sure where the trolling is supposed to be at.
  - znpy 6y ago
    I wonder why that person won't switch to nginx, apache or something else completely, if caddy doesn't work for them. At this point it's just a game of wasting other people's time.
    - kuschku 6y ago
      I’m not using caddy – but I get complaints that websites hosted on caddy servers don’t work with my tools, which follow the specs and require the absolute URL to work just as well as the relative one. And I can’t remotely telepathically make all caddy users switch to nginx. So as long as a single HTTP server runs a version of caddy with this bug, I’ve got extra work to do, because the caddy people are wasting my time

This has been a shitty thread to read, tbh. It's clearly not pointless if there are improvements which could be made to make the product more spec-compliant, such as handling terminating dots in Host headers. And I'm saying this as someone who's never used Caddy for anything, ever.

francislavoie 6y ago
If you want the background story: https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues/1632 https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues/1632 This is all from four years ago. And kuschku hasn't taken no for an answer after all this time. It's frustrating and annoying to hear their complaints on every HN thread since. I agree with you the thread is shitty. I'm just hoping being direct will end the trolling.
- kuschku 6y ago
  Is it "trolling" if one expects a webserver to work like every other webserver, even offering to make the required changes? If you want to learn why supporting FQDNs is important, you can actually read the issue and PR on the traefik repo where they chose to add support for this: https://github.com/traefik/traefik/issues/4622 https://github.com/traefik/traefik/issues/4622 https://github.com/traefik/traefik/pull/4763 https://github.com/traefik/traefik/pull/4763 They just accepted the issue, and fixed it. Super easy, no 4 years of "no one needs this" "no you're wrong" "the specs are wrong" "you're trolling"
  - francislavoie 6y ago
    Yes, because Caddy is not like every other webserver. It also automates TLS management, can act as an ACME server, etc. You make it out to be a simple change, but it's really not. And the arguments for making any changes are not compelling enough to warrant the risks involved. Compliance for the sake of compliance is completely pointless.
    - kuschku 6y ago
      > Yes, because Caddy is not like every other webserver. It also automates TLS management, can act as an ACME server, etc. That’s why I’m comparing it to traefik, which can also automate TLS management, in the exact same way (even using the same libraries for most of the functionality, they’re after all both go webservers). > And the arguments for making any changes are not compelling enough to warrant the risks involved Why is it that you think you know better than the maintainers of e.g. traefik? It’s not like this is legacy functionality they kept around just for the sake of it, they added it in 2019 because there’s demand for it, today.
      - francislavoie 6y ago
        > even using the same libraries for most of the functionality Actually no, not anymore. https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/pull/3621 https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/pull/3621 > because there’s demand for it, today We've only seen the demand from you. Nobody else. One individual isn't enough demand.
      - mholt 6y ago
        > even using the same libraries for most of the functionality You're wrong. Caddy uses a superior library that's been more stress-tested at scale in production: https://github.com/caddyserver/certmagic https://github.com/caddyserver/certmagic and https://github.com/mholt/acmez https://github.com/mholt/acmez - neither of which lego uses. Bugs and limitations in lego caused severe problems for several of our larger customers.
- carstenhag 6y ago
  Hello, ironically it was me who has created that issue some years ago. I saw that http://ai./ http://ai./ works in a browser and wondered why chagemann.de. doesn't. The culprit was caddy, and the caddy maintainer didn't want to fix it (or apparently accept PRs fixing it). Not sure where the trolling is supposed to be at.
- znpy 6y ago
  I wonder why that person won't switch to nginx, apache or something else completely, if caddy doesn't work for them. At this point it's just a game of wasting other people's time.
  - kuschku 6y ago
    I’m not using caddy – but I get complaints that websites hosted on caddy servers don’t work with my tools, which follow the specs and require the absolute URL to work just as well as the relative one. And I can’t remotely telepathically make all caddy users switch to nginx. So as long as a single HTTP server runs a version of caddy with this bug, I’ve got extra work to do, because the caddy people are wasting my time