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The meme of the Rust Evangalism Strikeforce exists for a reason - because a person can't say anything remotely uncomplementary about Rust without getting dogpil

The meme of the Rust Evangalism Strikeforce exists for a reason - because a person can't say anything remotely uncomplementary about Rust without getting dogpiled and downvoted into oblivion. The Rust community has proven itself, outside of the Rust specific forums, to be exceptionally elitist. And, as shown in a sibling thread, the founders of Rust are right there on the dogpile attacking the character and dissecting the comments of any dissenters.

k__ 6y ago
Most of the time, it's about people wanting to make rude remarks and less about them saying "anything remotely uncomplementary about Rust".
- falcolas 6y ago
  A mature community's response to trolling is not "dogpile on them until they realize they're wrong", and is instead "ignore the troll".
  - SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
    Downvotes are "ignore the troll". Their whole purpose is to hide comments that don't substantively contribute to the discussion. Replies are (or at least can be) "dogpile on them until they realize they're wrong".
steveklabnik 6y ago
I've come to the conclusion that many people just project whatever they want onto these kinds of conversations, positive and negative. For example, in my comment, I very much said "made it seem" and suggested that maybe people were misunderstanding the poster, not attacking their character. Many people post many negative things about Rust, including those who are its most fervent advocates. But the gray areas mean there's places where people can post things and some people say "ugh any criticism is downvoted" and others can say "wow this is an absolutely off-topic, baseless criticism" and both will walk away feeling right.
- falcolas 6y ago
  "made it seem" "suggested" "misunderstanding" Polite or not, using "soft" words or not, attacking the character of someone – "[you're not] interested in having a real discussion", "[you only want] a specific kind of description from a specific kind of person" – does Rust, and its community, absolutely no favors. > Many people post many negative things about Rust And I have no doubt that you'll continue to be there, "gently" correcting them.
  - steveklabnik 6y ago
    This is exactly what I mean. I don't see how saying "hey this statement came across a little insulting and that's probably why people got a bit aggro" is attacking someone's character. There's nothing to do with someone's character in there, at all. I myself post negative things about Rust, including in this thread. Heck in the last week I've told the story about a team I was on not choosing Rust and how I thought that was a good decision in like, three different threads between here and Reddit. I doubt we will ever agree though, so I'll leave it at that.
- andrewmcwatters 6y ago
  I appreciate your comments here for multiple reasons and will not forget them. Thanks for taking the time to talk, it really sets a great example, too.

k__ 6y ago

Most of the time, it's about people wanting to make rude remarks and less about them saying "anything remotely uncomplementary about Rust".

falcolas 6y ago
A mature community's response to trolling is not "dogpile on them until they realize they're wrong", and is instead "ignore the troll".
- SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
  Downvotes are "ignore the troll". Their whole purpose is to hide comments that don't substantively contribute to the discussion. Replies are (or at least can be) "dogpile on them until they realize they're wrong".

steveklabnik 6y ago

I've come to the conclusion that many people just project whatever they want onto these kinds of conversations, positive and negative. For example, in my comment, I very much said "made it seem" and suggested that maybe people were misunderstanding the poster, not attacking their character. Many people post many negative things about Rust, including those who are its most fervent advocates. But the gray areas mean there's places where people can post things and some people say "ugh any criticism is downvoted" and others can say "wow this is an absolutely off-topic, baseless criticism" and both will walk away feeling right.

falcolas 6y ago
"made it seem" "suggested" "misunderstanding" Polite or not, using "soft" words or not, attacking the character of someone – "[you're not] interested in having a real discussion", "[you only want] a specific kind of description from a specific kind of person" – does Rust, and its community, absolutely no favors. > Many people post many negative things about Rust And I have no doubt that you'll continue to be there, "gently" correcting them.
- steveklabnik 6y ago
  This is exactly what I mean. I don't see how saying "hey this statement came across a little insulting and that's probably why people got a bit aggro" is attacking someone's character. There's nothing to do with someone's character in there, at all. I myself post negative things about Rust, including in this thread. Heck in the last week I've told the story about a team I was on not choosing Rust and how I thought that was a good decision in like, three different threads between here and Reddit. I doubt we will ever agree though, so I'll leave it at that.
andrewmcwatters 6y ago
I appreciate your comments here for multiple reasons and will not forget them. Thanks for taking the time to talk, it really sets a great example, too.