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I absolutely agree. I have been tempted to buy the logical fallacies and critical thinking posters from The Thinking Shop[1] as gifts for certain family members

I absolutely agree. I have been tempted to buy the logical fallacies and critical thinking posters from The Thinking Shop[1] as gifts for certain family members, but I know too much of my motivation comes from the self-centered position of wanting to prove I'm right, which I didn't want to perpetuate. Instead I just read through the posters and ended up recognizing several items I probably need to work on myself. The cognitive biases are especially tricky, and it seems the more we learn about neuroscience the more reasons we have to distrust our own thinking! [1] https://thethinkingshop.org/ https://thethinkingshop.org/

pm90 6y ago
There are twenty four logical fallacies listed there... twenty four Genuine question: how does one keep 24 logical fallacies in mind when evaluating arguments? Do you mentally iterate through all these fallacies? Don't get me wrong: they are very valid and I think they will make me better and my arguments better. I just want to understand how people without photographic memories do this.
- labster 6y ago
  Learn them one at a time, in such a way as you start seeing the pattern. Human brains are great pattern recognition machines, which is also where the errors come in. That’s okay: you want both zones to fire, so the cognitive dissonance forces you to consciously think about a potential fallacy.
- new_guy 6y ago
  There's more like over 200 logical fallacies. A good starting point is https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Z-Nigel-Warburton-ebook/dp/B00B9KCKJ4 https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Z-Nigel-Warburton-ebook/dp/B...
- CyberDildonics 6y ago
  You don't need to know them all for them to be useful (this falls into what the poster calls the "black and white" fallacy.
  - pm90 6y ago
    Note that I took care to point out that I didn’t believe it was not useful but had trouble with applying them personally. I am not asserting that they’re not useful.
- brigandish 6y ago
  Find good examples that are easy to understand and absurd enough to stick in your head. For example (ha) the fallacy of composition Wikipedia page has a good one[0]: > "This tire is made of rubber, therefore the vehicle of which it is a part is also made of rubber." The fallacy of division page[1] also has a good one: > 1. The second grade in Jefferson elementary eats a lot of ice cream > 2. Carlos is a second-grader in Jefferson elementary > 3. Therefore, Carlos eats a lot of ice cream You can also categorise large numbers of common fallacies, for instance fallacies of relevance, and then - which is the larger point about fallacies - you don't need to know which exact fallacy someone has committed (they don't care, for one) but you know it's fallacious because what their argument relies upon is irrelevant. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division Edit: formatting
- megameter 6y ago
  You don't have to do this. Instead of memorizing fallicies, you can approximate the quality of nearly all arguments to two theory-of-truth claims: 1. The premises are themselves valid: you buy that they are truthful. 2. The argument's logic coheres: when added to your existing beliefs there is no contradiction. Fallicies manifest through violations of these claims. But you don't have to know the name of that violation to raise a complaint: you can derive it on the spot. Discussing these fallicies mostly acts as a practice tool, and provides a useful bit of jargon if you are writing philosophy and need to convey the idea quickly. But most arguments in online spaces are dismissed with: "the premise is invalid" or "the reasoning is incoherent."
- smsm42 6y ago
  You don't keep them in mind. You build processes and algorithms and habits to avoid them. When you learn to ride a bike or play baseball, you don't learn the laws of physics that govern the flight of the ball or the ride on the bike in detail - though basic awareness of gravity and such surely helps. You learn the process that gets you to the goal. Unfortunately, we're way behind on such processes, compared to baseball.
smsm42 6y ago
These are nice but I find the message "thou shalt not suffer cognitive biases" a bit off base - as you very well will suffer from them. It's like saying "you shalt not think of a white monkey" - and you will. The goal should be not to make people feel bad for failing yet again to be free of biases - the goal is to learn to detect them and work around them. You cannot make people fly by flapping their hands - but you can build tools that let people fly while they are sitting comfortably in their chairs. There should also be tools and processes built that allow even biased people to arrive to a correct conclusion, without demanding the impossible from them.
skinkestek 6y ago
> Instead I just read through the posters and ended up recognizing several items I probably need to work on myself. Hi unknown friend!

pm90 6y ago

There are twenty four logical fallacies listed there... twenty four Genuine question: how does one keep 24 logical fallacies in mind when evaluating arguments? Do you mentally iterate through all these fallacies? Don't get me wrong: they are very valid and I think they will make me better and my arguments better. I just want to understand how people without photographic memories do this.

labster 6y ago
Learn them one at a time, in such a way as you start seeing the pattern. Human brains are great pattern recognition machines, which is also where the errors come in. That’s okay: you want both zones to fire, so the cognitive dissonance forces you to consciously think about a potential fallacy.
new_guy 6y ago
There's more like over 200 logical fallacies. A good starting point is https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Z-Nigel-Warburton-ebook/dp/B00B9KCKJ4 https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Z-Nigel-Warburton-ebook/dp/B...
CyberDildonics 6y ago
You don't need to know them all for them to be useful (this falls into what the poster calls the "black and white" fallacy.
- pm90 6y ago
  Note that I took care to point out that I didn’t believe it was not useful but had trouble with applying them personally. I am not asserting that they’re not useful.
brigandish 6y ago
Find good examples that are easy to understand and absurd enough to stick in your head. For example (ha) the fallacy of composition Wikipedia page has a good one[0]: > "This tire is made of rubber, therefore the vehicle of which it is a part is also made of rubber." The fallacy of division page[1] also has a good one: > 1. The second grade in Jefferson elementary eats a lot of ice cream > 2. Carlos is a second-grader in Jefferson elementary > 3. Therefore, Carlos eats a lot of ice cream You can also categorise large numbers of common fallacies, for instance fallacies of relevance, and then - which is the larger point about fallacies - you don't need to know which exact fallacy someone has committed (they don't care, for one) but you know it's fallacious because what their argument relies upon is irrelevant. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division Edit: formatting
megameter 6y ago
You don't have to do this. Instead of memorizing fallicies, you can approximate the quality of nearly all arguments to two theory-of-truth claims: 1. The premises are themselves valid: you buy that they are truthful. 2. The argument's logic coheres: when added to your existing beliefs there is no contradiction. Fallicies manifest through violations of these claims. But you don't have to know the name of that violation to raise a complaint: you can derive it on the spot. Discussing these fallicies mostly acts as a practice tool, and provides a useful bit of jargon if you are writing philosophy and need to convey the idea quickly. But most arguments in online spaces are dismissed with: "the premise is invalid" or "the reasoning is incoherent."
smsm42 6y ago
You don't keep them in mind. You build processes and algorithms and habits to avoid them. When you learn to ride a bike or play baseball, you don't learn the laws of physics that govern the flight of the ball or the ride on the bike in detail - though basic awareness of gravity and such surely helps. You learn the process that gets you to the goal. Unfortunately, we're way behind on such processes, compared to baseball.

smsm42 6y ago

These are nice but I find the message "thou shalt not suffer cognitive biases" a bit off base - as you very well will suffer from them. It's like saying "you shalt not think of a white monkey" - and you will. The goal should be not to make people feel bad for failing yet again to be free of biases - the goal is to learn to detect them and work around them. You cannot make people fly by flapping their hands - but you can build tools that let people fly while they are sitting comfortably in their chairs. There should also be tools and processes built that allow even biased people to arrive to a correct conclusion, without demanding the impossible from them.

skinkestek 6y ago

> Instead I just read through the posters and ended up recognizing several items I probably need to work on myself. Hi unknown friend!