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The first answer that hits it on the head. It's nothing to do with your communication, you just didn't have the equity promise in writing and this is just an ex

The first answer that hits it on the head. It's nothing to do with your communication, you just didn't have the equity promise in writing and this is just an excuse. The real reason to not give you equity is because they don't have to, so more for them.

vntok 6y ago
Seems like a plausible real reason would be that he didn't even bother to attend team meetings. Making oneself indispensable among peers is kind of the obvious first step everywhere on the road to getting more equity.
- phaemon 6y ago
  If you care about having someone in a meeting, you specifically ask them to attend. They didn't care because he was never going to get equity in the first place.
  - vntok 6y ago
    It is painfully obvious from your message that you haven't ever been in an executive position. As an exec, you would ask that person to come for maybe the first two or three meetings, tops. Then you acknowledge that said person is lazy, condescending or something else but definitely not a team player that's for sure. And you move on. Then you attend a decision-making meeting where you are to recommend a handful of people to your exec peers for equity, raises, spinoffs or carveouts. Guess whose name won't even come to your mind when assessing the company's rising stars ? Edit: "I neglected meetings that seemed unnecessary" see that? That's condescension. Neglect. Laziness. No conspiracy needed when self-undoing is a certainty.
    - phaemon 6y ago
      Heh, is the defining characteristic of being in an executive position, that you consider meetings more important than your core product? They were never going to get equity. Life is not fair.
    - phaemon 6y ago
      > It is painfully obvious from your message that you haven't ever been in an executive position Oh, hang on, it's suddenly occurred to me that you're being so defensive because you're in a similar situation and hoping for the best? No son, don't rely on "recommendations" or "positive meetings". If it's not in writing, it's worth nothing. Get it written down and fuck the "rising stars" bullshit. If it's worth anything, it's in the contract. You can thank me later, kid.
      - vntok 6y ago
        Swing and a miss, I moved to freelancing a decade ago and never looked back.
  - ritchiea 6y ago
    No good company wants to lose or alienate a valuable contributor, especially not a valuable technical contributor. If they tried to screw him then he’s lucky to be out. And if he is assessing the situation correctly then he’s asking the right questions so he can grow in his career.

vntok 6y ago

Seems like a plausible real reason would be that he didn't even bother to attend team meetings. Making oneself indispensable among peers is kind of the obvious first step everywhere on the road to getting more equity.

phaemon 6y ago
If you care about having someone in a meeting, you specifically ask them to attend. They didn't care because he was never going to get equity in the first place.
- vntok 6y ago
  It is painfully obvious from your message that you haven't ever been in an executive position. As an exec, you would ask that person to come for maybe the first two or three meetings, tops. Then you acknowledge that said person is lazy, condescending or something else but definitely not a team player that's for sure. And you move on. Then you attend a decision-making meeting where you are to recommend a handful of people to your exec peers for equity, raises, spinoffs or carveouts. Guess whose name won't even come to your mind when assessing the company's rising stars ? Edit: "I neglected meetings that seemed unnecessary" see that? That's condescension. Neglect. Laziness. No conspiracy needed when self-undoing is a certainty.
  - phaemon 6y ago
    Heh, is the defining characteristic of being in an executive position, that you consider meetings more important than your core product? They were never going to get equity. Life is not fair.
  - phaemon 6y ago
    > It is painfully obvious from your message that you haven't ever been in an executive position Oh, hang on, it's suddenly occurred to me that you're being so defensive because you're in a similar situation and hoping for the best? No son, don't rely on "recommendations" or "positive meetings". If it's not in writing, it's worth nothing. Get it written down and fuck the "rising stars" bullshit. If it's worth anything, it's in the contract. You can thank me later, kid.
    - vntok 6y ago
      Swing and a miss, I moved to freelancing a decade ago and never looked back.
- ritchiea 6y ago
  No good company wants to lose or alienate a valuable contributor, especially not a valuable technical contributor. If they tried to screw him then he’s lucky to be out. And if he is assessing the situation correctly then he’s asking the right questions so he can grow in his career.