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I am pretty sure that the individual-level data would be illegal to collect on employees in Norway under labor law. According to the linked Twitter stream, auth

I am pretty sure that the individual-level data would be illegal to collect on employees in Norway under labor law. According to the linked Twitter stream, author says it would be illegal in Germany and Austria. Probably for many other European countries as well.

gbil 6y ago
Sure it is illegal in Germany or at least the Workers' council needs to approve it :) But in other countries the laws are different. Managing a VPN solution you can't imagine how easy it is to get a data protection officer in the US approve a manager request for remote working data of an employee, reasoning being "to check if he worked from home as he told me and not from another place"
rootsudo 6y ago
Different tenants per geographic regions have different standards.
kevindong 6y ago
Why would it be illegal? The employee is doing work for a employer on a platform provided by the employer.
- petre 6y ago
  Because then less people would want to be employed and would rather stay on unemployment benefits burdening the state and the other employers? Or maybe because slavery was abolished 200 years ago? I knew a guy who worked night shifts because he wasn't getting notoced by the shift supervisors when he went out for a smoke. There were less shift supervisors on night shifts.
- laboroflaw 6y ago
  Because being an employer doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want to an employee.
  - jrochkind1 6y ago
    In the USA, it seems like it might as well. And somehow most employees have been convinced this is suitable. Whether it should is another question.
- gspr 6y ago
  Good point! Said platform should also electrocute an employee lagging behind. You know, for motivation. See how broken your logic is?
  - kevindong 6y ago
    Your counterexample is a straw man argument where the example approaches abuse. My reasoning of why employee surveillance is fine is that there's a genuine purpose/need (measuring employee productivity) while personal privacy is retained (e.g. don't import personal information into the corporate 365 environment and personal privacy is retained). I'm not saying the metrics provided by 365 are correct, but I don't see the legal argument against it.
    - fdiskl 6y ago
      Read the GDPR or national equivalents in the EU and that will show the legal argument - literally that there are a group of laws defining that this isn't allowed in those jurisdictions. Whether or not you're convinced or not is of no consequence to the laws.
      - kevindong 6y ago
        Can you point to a particular clause or section that indicates this wouldn't be a compelling usage (e.g. performance management of employees) of personal data? You along with all of the other commenters have just responded with the generic assertion of "European privacy rights aka GDPR, duh." But then you don't actually support your assertion whatsoever. GDPR is not a blanket prohibition on collecting data.

gbil 6y ago

Sure it is illegal in Germany or at least the Workers' council needs to approve it :) But in other countries the laws are different. Managing a VPN solution you can't imagine how easy it is to get a data protection officer in the US approve a manager request for remote working data of an employee, reasoning being "to check if he worked from home as he told me and not from another place"

rootsudo 6y ago

Different tenants per geographic regions have different standards.

kevindong 6y ago

Why would it be illegal? The employee is doing work for a employer on a platform provided by the employer.

petre 6y ago
Because then less people would want to be employed and would rather stay on unemployment benefits burdening the state and the other employers? Or maybe because slavery was abolished 200 years ago? I knew a guy who worked night shifts because he wasn't getting notoced by the shift supervisors when he went out for a smoke. There were less shift supervisors on night shifts.
laboroflaw 6y ago
Because being an employer doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want to an employee.
- jrochkind1 6y ago
  In the USA, it seems like it might as well. And somehow most employees have been convinced this is suitable. Whether it should is another question.
gspr 6y ago
Good point! Said platform should also electrocute an employee lagging behind. You know, for motivation. See how broken your logic is?
- kevindong 6y ago
  Your counterexample is a straw man argument where the example approaches abuse. My reasoning of why employee surveillance is fine is that there's a genuine purpose/need (measuring employee productivity) while personal privacy is retained (e.g. don't import personal information into the corporate 365 environment and personal privacy is retained). I'm not saying the metrics provided by 365 are correct, but I don't see the legal argument against it.
  - fdiskl 6y ago
    Read the GDPR or national equivalents in the EU and that will show the legal argument - literally that there are a group of laws defining that this isn't allowed in those jurisdictions. Whether or not you're convinced or not is of no consequence to the laws.
    - kevindong 6y ago
      Can you point to a particular clause or section that indicates this wouldn't be a compelling usage (e.g. performance management of employees) of personal data? You along with all of the other commenters have just responded with the generic assertion of "European privacy rights aka GDPR, duh." But then you don't actually support your assertion whatsoever. GDPR is not a blanket prohibition on collecting data.