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Lots of shiny new tools to close more sales in the war against g suite. Yet I'll have to wait several more years for a fix for the bug in Office web mail clien

Lots of shiny new tools to close more sales in the war against g suite. Yet I'll have to wait several more years for a fix for the bug in Office web mail client that incorrectly says there is new mail on the browser tab, when in fact there is no new mail. Employee tracking features or not, MS 365 is orders of magnitude worse than g-suite in every regard. Employees don't want these products, so they have to go after managers who can crow to their managers about monitoring productivity.

judge2020 6y ago
The MS account switcher is also terrible. Maybe it’s because I have a mix of outlook-based emails, Azure AD emails, and full O365 emails, but the fact that you can’t easily open an outlook tab for each account is horrible UX.
- syshum 6y ago
  FF Containers are a much better way to handle this issue then attempting gmail style account switching
  - jimnotgym 6y ago
    Can't remember the tools name, but there is an official MS browser pluggin for using multiple accounts
    - ianmcgowan 6y ago
      If you're using Chrome or Edge, setting up multiple profiles is a good way to handle this, as well as separating work and personal stuff. I use profiles to have Teams open for multiple organizations..
- rootsudo 6y ago
  Firefox containers, or delete cookies. It is because of how cookies work and not terminating a session upon logout.
- jcstryker 6y ago
  > The MS account switcher is also terrible. Maybe it’s because I have a mix of outlook-based emails, Azure AD emails, and full O365 emails, but the fact that you can’t easily open an outlook tab for each account is horrible UX.
Isthatablackgsd 6y ago
I respectfully disagreed. I felt MS365 is superior than GSuite. Google Drive have reoccurring issues that drove my boss and me crazy and apparently it is a common issue. Outlook have features that I want to use that Gmail don't have. My boss is considering to moving to MS365 because GSuite showing its ugly head often and that have a impact on our productivity.
- strict9 6y ago
  I will concede Google Drive is garbage. But even in that garbage product there aren't as many glaring bugs that have been around forever. The worst example: you can't use the browser's back button in the MS 365 mail client! Instead of using the back button like any other web app, you have to hit ESC to drop from message detail back to the inbox or folder. The back button instead goes to the next message in the queue. MS 365 is full of mind-boggling UX decisions on top of annoying bugs that have been around for years.
  - jimnotgym 6y ago
    But the desktop apps are best in class, Word and Excel in particular.
    - maxerickson 6y ago
      What class is Word best in? I use it a quite a lot and think it is okay, but it has all sorts of problems and behaviors that don't make a lot of sense.
      - Isthatablackgsd 6y ago
        I used it daily for my work. I prefer Word due to their mail merge for creating certifications (sometime, I have to make 150 certs and mail merge made it so easy). Also, I use it for form creations, Word's table structure is superior and flexible than LibreOffice Writer and Apple Pages. Yea, it does have their quirks. I am aware of those and I know how to work around it or with it. Microsoft Word been around more than 20 years and it have legacy codes in Word to ensure it works with older format and few other oddities.
mbesto 6y ago
> MS 365 is orders of magnitude worse than g-suite in every regard. You clearly have never sent/received a calendar invite from a g-suite email to a non-g-suite email. The experience is abysmal.
kerng 6y ago
I dont like Office 365, but its lightyears ahead of GSuites. Just look at GMail - it can't even handle threads and mail is commonly all messy and unreadable when multiple people start replying. Generally for anything slightly complex GSuites fails. It's so bad, that I'm thinking my next company has to use Microsoft stuff again - sort of an interview criteria. I'm only semi joking because Outlook and Co seems like a low bar to beat.
Rastonbury 6y ago
That hyperbole...
spaced-out 6y ago
Small nitpick, but as of last month, G Suite has been officially renamed as Google Workspace. https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21503649/google-workspace-g-suite-gmail-chat-meet-docs https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21503649/google-workspace...
_trampeltier 6y ago
Maybe if they have time, they fix also the many graphics bugs in (and around) Excel (one funny bug I found just make the left side of the Excel window broken, even the Startmenu, but just on a horizontal FullHD monitor.)

judge2020 6y ago

The MS account switcher is also terrible. Maybe it’s because I have a mix of outlook-based emails, Azure AD emails, and full O365 emails, but the fact that you can’t easily open an outlook tab for each account is horrible UX.

syshum 6y ago
FF Containers are a much better way to handle this issue then attempting gmail style account switching
- jimnotgym 6y ago
  Can't remember the tools name, but there is an official MS browser pluggin for using multiple accounts
  - ianmcgowan 6y ago
    If you're using Chrome or Edge, setting up multiple profiles is a good way to handle this, as well as separating work and personal stuff. I use profiles to have Teams open for multiple organizations..
rootsudo 6y ago
Firefox containers, or delete cookies. It is because of how cookies work and not terminating a session upon logout.
jcstryker 6y ago
> The MS account switcher is also terrible. Maybe it’s because I have a mix of outlook-based emails, Azure AD emails, and full O365 emails, but the fact that you can’t easily open an outlook tab for each account is horrible UX.

Isthatablackgsd 6y ago

I respectfully disagreed. I felt MS365 is superior than GSuite. Google Drive have reoccurring issues that drove my boss and me crazy and apparently it is a common issue. Outlook have features that I want to use that Gmail don't have. My boss is considering to moving to MS365 because GSuite showing its ugly head often and that have a impact on our productivity.

strict9 6y ago
I will concede Google Drive is garbage. But even in that garbage product there aren't as many glaring bugs that have been around forever. The worst example: you can't use the browser's back button in the MS 365 mail client! Instead of using the back button like any other web app, you have to hit ESC to drop from message detail back to the inbox or folder. The back button instead goes to the next message in the queue. MS 365 is full of mind-boggling UX decisions on top of annoying bugs that have been around for years.
- jimnotgym 6y ago
  But the desktop apps are best in class, Word and Excel in particular.
  - maxerickson 6y ago
    What class is Word best in? I use it a quite a lot and think it is okay, but it has all sorts of problems and behaviors that don't make a lot of sense.
    - Isthatablackgsd 6y ago
      I used it daily for my work. I prefer Word due to their mail merge for creating certifications (sometime, I have to make 150 certs and mail merge made it so easy). Also, I use it for form creations, Word's table structure is superior and flexible than LibreOffice Writer and Apple Pages. Yea, it does have their quirks. I am aware of those and I know how to work around it or with it. Microsoft Word been around more than 20 years and it have legacy codes in Word to ensure it works with older format and few other oddities.

mbesto 6y ago

> MS 365 is orders of magnitude worse than g-suite in every regard. You clearly have never sent/received a calendar invite from a g-suite email to a non-g-suite email. The experience is abysmal.

kerng 6y ago

I dont like Office 365, but its lightyears ahead of GSuites. Just look at GMail - it can't even handle threads and mail is commonly all messy and unreadable when multiple people start replying. Generally for anything slightly complex GSuites fails. It's so bad, that I'm thinking my next company has to use Microsoft stuff again - sort of an interview criteria. I'm only semi joking because Outlook and Co seems like a low bar to beat.

Rastonbury 6y ago

That hyperbole...

spaced-out 6y ago

Small nitpick, but as of last month, G Suite has been officially renamed as Google Workspace. https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21503649/google-workspace-g-suite-gmail-chat-meet-docs https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21503649/google-workspace...

_trampeltier 6y ago

Maybe if they have time, they fix also the many graphics bugs in (and around) Excel (one funny bug I found just make the left side of the Excel window broken, even the Startmenu, but just on a horizontal FullHD monitor.)