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On-board computers that send data home about how many times they have been refuelled and charged? I suppose it might not go down well with car buyers, though.

llampx 6y ago
I do think that a consumption-based tax can be implemented for PHEV's using the data from the onboard computer. When you pay your annual tax or go for the inspection, you either take a readout of the car's consumption metrics from the OBC or have the shop/DMV do it. Then you charge tax based on the consumption. Thus, someone who used electric a lot gets charged less than someone who didn't, which is what the incentives for PHEV's are supposed to encourage anyway.
- 14 6y ago
  And my guess there will be people who sell black marker services, or perhaps it will just be open internet knowledge, and we will see people jailbreaking their cars to alter the displayed mileage driven to cheat what they have to pay.
  - llampx 6y ago
    If you think all laws will be broken anyway, what's the point of having laws?
- MagnumOpus 6y ago
  What an overcomplicated way of doing what would be achieved very simply by raising petrol fuel taxes by a few cents? If you want to penalise carbon emission, tax carbon, not cars.
  - llampx 6y ago
    Raising taxes on a fuel is not as effective, first because its harder to get through to the consumers - they don't care because the tax would be pennies on the liter/gallon, and people are used to prices going up and down anyway. Secondly because such an annual tax would hurt the wallet more - paying $100 once hurts more than paying $1 a hundred times with every fill-up. Yes it is overcomplicated but it is a solution that targets the core of the problem - that people are not charging their PHEV's enough.
    - markvdb 6y ago
      That depends on the tax rate. The >$4/gallon price delta between most of the EU and the US is entirely taxes. That's quite a bit more significant than pennies on the gallon...
      - llampx 6y ago
        I mean the marginal tax rate increase from current levels. Unless you mean gasoline taxes should be $4+ additional per gallon compared to what they are now.
        markvdb 6y ago
        Raising fuel taxes to EU levels would not be enough, but it would be a significant start towards environmental improvement, and not necessarily bad for the economy. In a hypothetical future that is where people realise there is only one earth and some compensations are provided for the economically weaker whose livelihood suddenly gets threatened by these changes.

llampx 6y ago

I do think that a consumption-based tax can be implemented for PHEV's using the data from the onboard computer. When you pay your annual tax or go for the inspection, you either take a readout of the car's consumption metrics from the OBC or have the shop/DMV do it. Then you charge tax based on the consumption. Thus, someone who used electric a lot gets charged less than someone who didn't, which is what the incentives for PHEV's are supposed to encourage anyway.

14 6y ago
And my guess there will be people who sell black marker services, or perhaps it will just be open internet knowledge, and we will see people jailbreaking their cars to alter the displayed mileage driven to cheat what they have to pay.
- llampx 6y ago
  If you think all laws will be broken anyway, what's the point of having laws?
MagnumOpus 6y ago
What an overcomplicated way of doing what would be achieved very simply by raising petrol fuel taxes by a few cents? If you want to penalise carbon emission, tax carbon, not cars.
- llampx 6y ago
  Raising taxes on a fuel is not as effective, first because its harder to get through to the consumers - they don't care because the tax would be pennies on the liter/gallon, and people are used to prices going up and down anyway. Secondly because such an annual tax would hurt the wallet more - paying $100 once hurts more than paying $1 a hundred times with every fill-up. Yes it is overcomplicated but it is a solution that targets the core of the problem - that people are not charging their PHEV's enough.
  - markvdb 6y ago
    That depends on the tax rate. The >$4/gallon price delta between most of the EU and the US is entirely taxes. That's quite a bit more significant than pennies on the gallon...
    - llampx 6y ago
      I mean the marginal tax rate increase from current levels. Unless you mean gasoline taxes should be $4+ additional per gallon compared to what they are now.
      - markvdb 6y ago
        Raising fuel taxes to EU levels would not be enough, but it would be a significant start towards environmental improvement, and not necessarily bad for the economy. In a hypothetical future that is where people realise there is only one earth and some compensations are provided for the economically weaker whose livelihood suddenly gets threatened by these changes.