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It also greatly depends on how they are driven. I was chatting to a Lexus dealer a couple of years ago and asked about the claimed 5.5l/100km of the RX450h (SUV

by fy20 6y ago

It also greatly depends on how they are driven. I was chatting to a Lexus dealer a couple of years ago and asked about the claimed 5.5l/100km of the RX450h (SUV). He said "the way our customers typically drive, it's closer to 10l/100km". If you drive like a grandpa you probably can get the claimed economy, but most people aren't going to do that.

Tade0 6y ago
WLTP "high" is essentially "rural road in the summer with a 70-90km/h speed limit" - achievable, but not commonly the case.
Der_Einzige 6y ago
It's attainable in eco-mode but no one will drive it only in eco-mode because it's so slow. Source, I own this exact SUV. In sport+ mode, I get close to what you mentioned.
markvdb 6y ago
I drive a 2007 station wagon like a grandpa. Average diesel consumption? 4.0l/100km. For those less into SI units, that's over 200 megabarleycorn per rundlet! [0] Back on topic, PHEV's often get preferential tax treatment. My old car gets punished, barred even from some cities. That makes sense only if completely disregarding actual usage. I can't possibly justify the ecological expense of selling a car that sees under 5000 km/year of usage, but misaligned government incentives increasingly push me to. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_units#Length https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_units#Length [1] https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.proximus.be%2Fpickx%2Fnl%2F1531419%2Fde-rammelkar-van-wouter-van-besien https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...
- saalweachter 6y ago
  In proper US customary units, that's 62 square mil. The Chevy Volt only gets about 90 square mil on its generator, but its battery is more like 33 square mil-e.
  - Loughla 6y ago
    Why did you say square miles? What an odd measurement to use. That's 62 miles per gallon and 90 miles per gallon. Why use area as a measurement and not distance?
    - frankus 6y ago
      OP is doing a bit, but it’s because a volume (liters) divided by a distance (km) reduces to an area. You can think of it as the cross-sectional area of a hypothetical straw sucking up fuel from a continuous trough set into the roadway.
    - saalweachter 6y ago
      Square mil, and square mil-e[quivalent], for the battery-only efficiency, not miles. When you have a volume-per-distance measurement, such as liters/km, you can cancel units to get an area. The square mil -- a mil is 1/1000 of an inch, usually used in machining parts -- is the US customary unit which is best suited to the magnitude; 62 square mil is so much nicer than 0.04 square millimeters or 40000 square micrometers.
      - Loughla 6y ago
        That went securely over top of my head.
yardie 6y ago
I have a regular, petrol powered SUV and regularly get 13l/100km. If I go granny mode I can get it down to 10l or less. Now I don't feel so bad for not hitting these magical consumption claims. It has 380hp (280kw) and wants to be driven as such.

by fy20 6y ago

Tade0 6y ago

WLTP "high" is essentially "rural road in the summer with a 70-90km/h speed limit" - achievable, but not commonly the case.

Der_Einzige 6y ago

It's attainable in eco-mode but no one will drive it only in eco-mode because it's so slow. Source, I own this exact SUV. In sport+ mode, I get close to what you mentioned.

markvdb 6y ago

I drive a 2007 station wagon like a grandpa. Average diesel consumption? 4.0l/100km. For those less into SI units, that's over 200 megabarleycorn per rundlet! [0] Back on topic, PHEV's often get preferential tax treatment. My old car gets punished, barred even from some cities. That makes sense only if completely disregarding actual usage. I can't possibly justify the ecological expense of selling a car that sees under 5000 km/year of usage, but misaligned government incentives increasingly push me to. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_units#Length https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_units#Length [1] https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.proximus.be%2Fpickx%2Fnl%2F1531419%2Fde-rammelkar-van-wouter-van-besien https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

saalweachter 6y ago
In proper US customary units, that's 62 square mil. The Chevy Volt only gets about 90 square mil on its generator, but its battery is more like 33 square mil-e.
- Loughla 6y ago
  Why did you say square miles? What an odd measurement to use. That's 62 miles per gallon and 90 miles per gallon. Why use area as a measurement and not distance?
  - frankus 6y ago
    OP is doing a bit, but it’s because a volume (liters) divided by a distance (km) reduces to an area. You can think of it as the cross-sectional area of a hypothetical straw sucking up fuel from a continuous trough set into the roadway.
  - saalweachter 6y ago
    Square mil, and square mil-e[quivalent], for the battery-only efficiency, not miles. When you have a volume-per-distance measurement, such as liters/km, you can cancel units to get an area. The square mil -- a mil is 1/1000 of an inch, usually used in machining parts -- is the US customary unit which is best suited to the magnitude; 62 square mil is so much nicer than 0.04 square millimeters or 40000 square micrometers.
    - Loughla 6y ago
      That went securely over top of my head.

yardie 6y ago

I have a regular, petrol powered SUV and regularly get 13l/100km. If I go granny mode I can get it down to 10l or less. Now I don't feel so bad for not hitting these magical consumption claims. It has 380hp (280kw) and wants to be driven as such.