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Tried to opt-out, followed the instructions and no option there... Updated the app, still no opt-out available... Another reason to switch to some offline home

Tried to opt-out, followed the instructions and no option there... Updated the app, still no opt-out available... Another reason to switch to some offline home brewed smart speaker.

SirYandi 6y ago
From the linked article: > Where can I change my Amazon Sidewalk preferences? Available later this year, Ring customers who own an eligible device can choose to update their Amazon Sidewalk preferences anytime from the Control Center in the Ring app or Ring website. Echo customers who own an eligible device can update their Amazon Sidewalk preferences anytime from Settings in the Alexa app. If you have linked your Ring and Amazon accounts, your Sidewalk preferences on either your Alexa or Ring app will apply to all of your eligible Echo and Ring devices.
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- Semaphor 6y ago
  The E-Mail they sent had different wording, only mentioning ring as example for things this works with: > For example, if your device loses its wifi connection, Sidewalk can simplify reconnecting to your router and help set up new Echo devices. Sidewalk can also extend the coverage for Sidewalk-enabled devices, such as Ring smart lights and pet and object trackers, so they can stay connected and continue to work over longer distances. > When enabled, Sidewalk uses a small portion of your Internet bandwidth to provide these services to you and your neighbors. This setting will apply to all of your supported Echo and Ring devices that are linked to your Amazon account. > Sidewalk is coming to your Echo device later this year, but you can disable this feature at any time from the Amazon Alexa app.
joosters 6y ago
If you've already got an amazon smart speaker listening inside your home, surely this new mesh network is the least of your privacy worries?
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  This is a dumb meme that needs to die now.
  - joosters 6y ago
    Why? The smart speaker is designed to capture audio and send it to Amazon. The only dumbness is in the people who install it and THEN complain about their privacy. How did you think it worked?
    - pacifika 6y ago
      There's a difference between algorithms parsing data to people listening into conversations.
      - joosters 6y ago
        This the same argument that the NSA used when they claimed they weren't listening to everyone's phone calls: it was just algorithms parsing the data so that's 'ok' then.
      - uoaei 6y ago
        What's the difference then? Especially if it's recorded and stored somewhere for infinite analysis and replay.
    - matthewmacleod 6y ago
      The speaker is installed to capture audio according to a set of established and generally understood rules – i.e. not listening all the time, and sending audio when being interacted with by a user. This establishes some reasonable privacy expectations with users – I can be reasonably confident that an Amazon speaker in my home is not listening to me all the time, assuming that Amazon or a malicious third-party is not lying to me. It is possible to accept this set of trade-offs, and yet be unhappy with some other set of potential tradeoffs (like this new feature). This is not an inconsistent position and nor does it mean that a person who doesn't want to use this new feature is dumb. Do you have the same objection for anybody who carries a smartphone (i.e. literally billions of people worldwide)? They mostly offer the _exact same feature_ – does carrying a smartphone mean that none of those smartphone users are able to object to some privacy rules that they do not like? Obviously that would be ridiculous.
suyash 6y ago
or Apple HomePod - company we can trust keep data private.

Tried to opt-out, followed the instructions and no option there... Updated the app, still no opt-out available... Another reason to switch to some offline home brewed smart speaker.

SirYandi 6y ago

From the linked article: > Where can I change my Amazon Sidewalk preferences? Available later this year, Ring customers who own an eligible device can choose to update their Amazon Sidewalk preferences anytime from the Control Center in the Ring app or Ring website. Echo customers who own an eligible device can update their Amazon Sidewalk preferences anytime from Settings in the Alexa app. If you have linked your Ring and Amazon accounts, your Sidewalk preferences on either your Alexa or Ring app will apply to all of your eligible Echo and Ring devices.

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Semaphor 6y ago
The E-Mail they sent had different wording, only mentioning ring as example for things this works with: > For example, if your device loses its wifi connection, Sidewalk can simplify reconnecting to your router and help set up new Echo devices. Sidewalk can also extend the coverage for Sidewalk-enabled devices, such as Ring smart lights and pet and object trackers, so they can stay connected and continue to work over longer distances. > When enabled, Sidewalk uses a small portion of your Internet bandwidth to provide these services to you and your neighbors. This setting will apply to all of your supported Echo and Ring devices that are linked to your Amazon account. > Sidewalk is coming to your Echo device later this year, but you can disable this feature at any time from the Amazon Alexa app.

joosters 6y ago

If you've already got an amazon smart speaker listening inside your home, surely this new mesh network is the least of your privacy worries?

matthewmacleod 6y ago
This is a dumb meme that needs to die now.
- joosters 6y ago
  Why? The smart speaker is designed to capture audio and send it to Amazon. The only dumbness is in the people who install it and THEN complain about their privacy. How did you think it worked?
  - pacifika 6y ago
    There's a difference between algorithms parsing data to people listening into conversations.
    - joosters 6y ago
      This the same argument that the NSA used when they claimed they weren't listening to everyone's phone calls: it was just algorithms parsing the data so that's 'ok' then.
    - uoaei 6y ago
      What's the difference then? Especially if it's recorded and stored somewhere for infinite analysis and replay.
  - matthewmacleod 6y ago
    The speaker is installed to capture audio according to a set of established and generally understood rules – i.e. not listening all the time, and sending audio when being interacted with by a user. This establishes some reasonable privacy expectations with users – I can be reasonably confident that an Amazon speaker in my home is not listening to me all the time, assuming that Amazon or a malicious third-party is not lying to me. It is possible to accept this set of trade-offs, and yet be unhappy with some other set of potential tradeoffs (like this new feature). This is not an inconsistent position and nor does it mean that a person who doesn't want to use this new feature is dumb. Do you have the same objection for anybody who carries a smartphone (i.e. literally billions of people worldwide)? They mostly offer the _exact same feature_ – does carrying a smartphone mean that none of those smartphone users are able to object to some privacy rules that they do not like? Obviously that would be ridiculous.

suyash 6y ago

or Apple HomePod - company we can trust keep data private.