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> On an empty battery, they emitted three to eight times more than official values. One would expect that after VW dieselgate there would be very close and fre

> On an empty battery, they emitted three to eight times more than official values. One would expect that after VW dieselgate there would be very close and frequent testing by all possible cars by regulatory bodies (or even competition). What a fail. Let's not forget countries like UK want to have electric and hybrid-only cars allowed in mere 9 years (with most being hybrids). As usually with many eco-related changes that cost billions from ordinary folk's pockets, good intentions pave road to hell once money and politics get involved. I know what our next car will be if/once 2nd baby comes - diesel bmw 530xd wagon. One hell of an utility and proper fun driving with minimal real consumption, euro6 emissions. If lucky with good state of crucial parts, will last 10 years easily. We do long hauls quite often (1500km drive in 1 day or spread to 2). At one point happy to switch to electric, but right now they are too costly & cumbersome, plus we always buy used for 25-30% of the price which isn't a thing with electric. Used hybrid - no thank you.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
I think the used market is going to become quite interesting in a decade or two. Right now I could buy a reasonable runner for as little as £1K. It might not be that desirable but if you were on a really tight budget it would get you to and from work. I don't see that being the case once we shift to electric. If you look at old Nissan Leafs now the range is abysmal but the cost of a new battery if £5K. I have a feeling the bottom end of the market is going to disapear. >1500km drive in 1 day or spread to 2 That's got to be hell with kids or even just as you get a bit older.
- netsharc 6y ago
  Interesting point, at one point old cars will be un-roadworthy (because e.g. they'd have to have a bit of electric powertrain), so no one will even be able to buy them used (unless to export so they can keep polluting in poorer countries, but hey, climate saved! /s). But didn't California have this in the last decades with their tough emissions standards?
netsharc 6y ago
> One would expect that after VW dieselgate there would be very close and frequent testing by all possible cars by regulatory bodies (or even competition). What a fail. The governments were more interested in keeping their car industries chugging happily (and keeping voters' jobs, and probably their own political jobs), so they preferred to keep the easy emissions test: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-france-and-germany-lobbied-for-flawed-car-emissions-tests-documents-reveal https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...

tonyedgecombe 6y ago

I think the used market is going to become quite interesting in a decade or two. Right now I could buy a reasonable runner for as little as £1K. It might not be that desirable but if you were on a really tight budget it would get you to and from work. I don't see that being the case once we shift to electric. If you look at old Nissan Leafs now the range is abysmal but the cost of a new battery if £5K. I have a feeling the bottom end of the market is going to disapear. >1500km drive in 1 day or spread to 2 That's got to be hell with kids or even just as you get a bit older.

netsharc 6y ago
Interesting point, at one point old cars will be un-roadworthy (because e.g. they'd have to have a bit of electric powertrain), so no one will even be able to buy them used (unless to export so they can keep polluting in poorer countries, but hey, climate saved! /s). But didn't California have this in the last decades with their tough emissions standards?

netsharc 6y ago

> One would expect that after VW dieselgate there would be very close and frequent testing by all possible cars by regulatory bodies (or even competition). What a fail. The governments were more interested in keeping their car industries chugging happily (and keeping voters' jobs, and probably their own political jobs), so they preferred to keep the easy emissions test: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-france-and-germany-lobbied-for-flawed-car-emissions-tests-documents-reveal https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...