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Concealed carry permits in California are the literal definition of privilege, "private law". If you're famous, rich, or the sheriff's friend, you can get one.

by floren 6y ago

Concealed carry permits in California are the literal definition of privilege, "private law". If you're famous, rich, or the sheriff's friend, you can get one. Otherwise, you can pay a couple hundred bucks to apply and get told no. Rules for thee but not for me.

baby 6y ago
If you live in a place where you need a concealed carry permit to feel safe, you probably should move to a safer place.
- Zhenya 6y ago
  The state will protect you.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    I wonder if the other poster had feelings about the police protests? That person aside... What a time for some people to hate guns and recommend how only the evil racist police should have them.
    - wongarsu 6y ago
      The wide availability of guns seems to be one of the major underlying reasons for the evil police. Taking them away wouldn't magically fix things, but it would help keep things from regressing after fixing the more direct problems
      - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
        >The wide availability of guns seems to be one of the major underlying reasons for the evil police. What? Wrongful police shootings may dominate the headlines but they are a rounding error compared to asset forfeiture abuse, discriminatory enforcement, lesser forms of police violence and good ol' influence peddling. For everyone that's shot for no good reason there's hundreds of people who are unnecessarily roughed up, tazed or just have their money taken under color of law (I consider a fishing stop that ends in a BS ticket instead of a warning to be in the latter category).
        baby 6y ago
        That's because the police is scared of everyone, as anyone could be holding a gun in this country
      - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
        Show me a gun control law that doesn’t explicitly exempt police.
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        My favorite is how cops in CA are allowed to buy off-roster guns[0]. Apparently a Glock 19 Gen 5 is just too dangerous for citizens (but a Gen 3 is fine), however cops are allowed to own them personally because ... reasons. 0 - CA has a roster of handguns legal for private purchase and ownership. The list includes every gun that was for sale when the roster was created, plus any gun that meets CA's microstamping law. The second list is exactly 0 guns long; both because it's not clear if it's technically possible, and because gun companies have no interest in playing along. The result is that there are all kinds of arbitrary restrictions on guns based on the date, not anything even vaguely related to public safety. Oh, and guns eventually fall off the roster after a certain grace period, so eventually there will be no handguns legally for sale in CA barring a change to the law or a court case.
        SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
        Ha, yea. CA gun roster is a classic example. Don’t think the over-time defacto ban isn’t entirely intentional. Peak California.
        baby 6y ago
        Europe?
- sawjet 6y ago
  If you live in a place where you need to bribe a public official to exercise a constitutional right, you should probably move as well.
- floren 6y ago
  I live in New Mexico where I could get a CCW permit essentially guaranteed if I spent $100 on a weekend course. I don't have one, because I don't really feel a need for one--but I could get one if I wanted, just like anyone else in the state. I find it abhorrent that in California, you can only get a permit if you're well-connected: see Dianne Feinstein being the only CCW-holder in San Francisco for years while simultaneously pushing for stronger gun control.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
    Same boat here in WI. Hell I can buy a gun and walk out of the store in a half hour!
    - packetlost 6y ago
      yeah, WI has some pretty insanely lax gun laws. It took me <30 min to buy my first handgun. I don't have a CCW yet, but it's $150~ and half a days worth of online courses and some paperwork. The most bizarre thing to me is that background checks aren't required for private firearm sales.
      - ashtonkem 6y ago
        I feel like there should be a waiting period for your first gun, to reduce the risk of someone in crisis buying one. But once you own a gun, the risk of your second gun seems negligible to me. But yeah, no background checks on private gun sales is insane. No idea why that's legal anywhere.
        packetlost 6y ago
        IMO there should be a mandatory waiting period of 24-48 hours for any firearm, but you should be able to start the process over the phone/online etc. Alternatively, require training + passing an exam similar to getting a drivers license for owning anything except a manual long-barrel rifle or shotgun. Semi-auto firearms especially should require licensing/training IMO. Restrictions on magazine size or appearance ("assault rifle" lol) are generally dumb and fail to address real problems. I think it's reasonable to know who probably has a gun (ie. through a license program), but I'm generally against mandatory gun registration (though voluntary registration is fine).
- cheeze 6y ago
  It's a very privileged thing to say "just move". Moving costs money.
  - baby 6y ago
    I mean buying a gun cost money and lives
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  It's not okay to accept corruption for a license you personally don't want. The license should either be not available, or shall issue. Anything else is saying "it's fine if public officials get to extort those citizens, because it's not over something I want".
- mlindner 6y ago
  It's got nothing to do with "feeling safe". It's such a poor form of rhetoric that's completely disingenuous. You should stop using it.
  - bisRepetita 6y ago
    What does it have to do with, then, if not "feeling safe"? Honest question.
    - bmelton 6y ago
      A few years back, we had a snowstorm that knocked out power for 7 days. Knocking out power for 7 days meant our electric well pump didn't work. Our electric well pump not working meant that we didn't have water. We were snowed in with about 6 feet of snow, so roads weren't passable, so I couldn't go and get water, or food, or charcoal to cook the food with. My neighbor had supplies and was generous enough to share them with me. While we wouldn't obviously wouldn't have died without access to the rest of the world for 3 or four days, it would have been very uncomfortable to endure without any food or water, and that's relative to the discomfort we already had without heat, wherein we literally spent large swaths of the day under every blanket we had, huddled together for heat we also didn't have without electricity. The next house I bought had a fireplace. We stock wood to be prepared for the unlikely catastrophe of having to endure prolonged absence of electricity. We put fire-specific extinguishers in our kitchen, our garage, and our basement to protect against the unlikely catastrophe of fire. We keep 10 gallons of water in the basement to protect against the unlikely catastrophe of losing electricity, and the usage of our well pump. We keep first aid kits with bandages and neosporin in the bathrooms of our house to protect against knife cuts, or puncture wounds, or glass breaks that draw blood. We keep a few days worth of canned goods to protect against food shortage. We keep charcoal to protect against the inability to use our stove, and I have fire-making equipment (ferro rods, a high carbon knife, flints, emergency matches, birthday candles, charcloth) for use while camping or backpacking, but I always maintain an abundance -- just in case. Many people do much of the above: Almost everyone has a fire extinguisher, or a first aid kit, some canned goods. The government recommends these things, in fact, and there's a run on things like these (and generators, and foodstuffs) before every natural emergency. Many people also maintain gardens for sustainability. Whether or not those things make people "feel safe" is not even in the same category, but I'd argue that it makes many people feel safe to know that they have their own food and water and heat should the system demand it. You're arbitrarily drawing a line at guns and shaming people for wanting to protect against unlikely catastrophes it may defend against.

by floren 6y ago

baby 6y ago

If you live in a place where you need a concealed carry permit to feel safe, you probably should move to a safer place.

Zhenya 6y ago
The state will protect you.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  I wonder if the other poster had feelings about the police protests? That person aside... What a time for some people to hate guns and recommend how only the evil racist police should have them.
  - wongarsu 6y ago
    The wide availability of guns seems to be one of the major underlying reasons for the evil police. Taking them away wouldn't magically fix things, but it would help keep things from regressing after fixing the more direct problems
    - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
      >The wide availability of guns seems to be one of the major underlying reasons for the evil police. What? Wrongful police shootings may dominate the headlines but they are a rounding error compared to asset forfeiture abuse, discriminatory enforcement, lesser forms of police violence and good ol' influence peddling. For everyone that's shot for no good reason there's hundreds of people who are unnecessarily roughed up, tazed or just have their money taken under color of law (I consider a fishing stop that ends in a BS ticket instead of a warning to be in the latter category).
      - baby 6y ago
        That's because the police is scared of everyone, as anyone could be holding a gun in this country
    - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
      Show me a gun control law that doesn’t explicitly exempt police.
      - ashtonkem 6y ago
        My favorite is how cops in CA are allowed to buy off-roster guns[0]. Apparently a Glock 19 Gen 5 is just too dangerous for citizens (but a Gen 3 is fine), however cops are allowed to own them personally because ... reasons. 0 - CA has a roster of handguns legal for private purchase and ownership. The list includes every gun that was for sale when the roster was created, plus any gun that meets CA's microstamping law. The second list is exactly 0 guns long; both because it's not clear if it's technically possible, and because gun companies have no interest in playing along. The result is that there are all kinds of arbitrary restrictions on guns based on the date, not anything even vaguely related to public safety. Oh, and guns eventually fall off the roster after a certain grace period, so eventually there will be no handguns legally for sale in CA barring a change to the law or a court case.
        SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
        Ha, yea. CA gun roster is a classic example. Don’t think the over-time defacto ban isn’t entirely intentional. Peak California.
      - baby 6y ago
        Europe?
sawjet 6y ago
If you live in a place where you need to bribe a public official to exercise a constitutional right, you should probably move as well.
floren 6y ago
I live in New Mexico where I could get a CCW permit essentially guaranteed if I spent $100 on a weekend course. I don't have one, because I don't really feel a need for one--but I could get one if I wanted, just like anyone else in the state. I find it abhorrent that in California, you can only get a permit if you're well-connected: see Dianne Feinstein being the only CCW-holder in San Francisco for years while simultaneously pushing for stronger gun control.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  Same boat here in WI. Hell I can buy a gun and walk out of the store in a half hour!
  - packetlost 6y ago
    yeah, WI has some pretty insanely lax gun laws. It took me <30 min to buy my first handgun. I don't have a CCW yet, but it's $150~ and half a days worth of online courses and some paperwork. The most bizarre thing to me is that background checks aren't required for private firearm sales.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      I feel like there should be a waiting period for your first gun, to reduce the risk of someone in crisis buying one. But once you own a gun, the risk of your second gun seems negligible to me. But yeah, no background checks on private gun sales is insane. No idea why that's legal anywhere.
      - packetlost 6y ago
        IMO there should be a mandatory waiting period of 24-48 hours for any firearm, but you should be able to start the process over the phone/online etc. Alternatively, require training + passing an exam similar to getting a drivers license for owning anything except a manual long-barrel rifle or shotgun. Semi-auto firearms especially should require licensing/training IMO. Restrictions on magazine size or appearance ("assault rifle" lol) are generally dumb and fail to address real problems. I think it's reasonable to know who probably has a gun (ie. through a license program), but I'm generally against mandatory gun registration (though voluntary registration is fine).
cheeze 6y ago
It's a very privileged thing to say "just move". Moving costs money.
- baby 6y ago
  I mean buying a gun cost money and lives
ashtonkem 6y ago
It's not okay to accept corruption for a license you personally don't want. The license should either be not available, or shall issue. Anything else is saying "it's fine if public officials get to extort those citizens, because it's not over something I want".
mlindner 6y ago
It's got nothing to do with "feeling safe". It's such a poor form of rhetoric that's completely disingenuous. You should stop using it.
- bisRepetita 6y ago
  What does it have to do with, then, if not "feeling safe"? Honest question.
  - bmelton 6y ago
    A few years back, we had a snowstorm that knocked out power for 7 days. Knocking out power for 7 days meant our electric well pump didn't work. Our electric well pump not working meant that we didn't have water. We were snowed in with about 6 feet of snow, so roads weren't passable, so I couldn't go and get water, or food, or charcoal to cook the food with. My neighbor had supplies and was generous enough to share them with me. While we wouldn't obviously wouldn't have died without access to the rest of the world for 3 or four days, it would have been very uncomfortable to endure without any food or water, and that's relative to the discomfort we already had without heat, wherein we literally spent large swaths of the day under every blanket we had, huddled together for heat we also didn't have without electricity. The next house I bought had a fireplace. We stock wood to be prepared for the unlikely catastrophe of having to endure prolonged absence of electricity. We put fire-specific extinguishers in our kitchen, our garage, and our basement to protect against the unlikely catastrophe of fire. We keep 10 gallons of water in the basement to protect against the unlikely catastrophe of losing electricity, and the usage of our well pump. We keep first aid kits with bandages and neosporin in the bathrooms of our house to protect against knife cuts, or puncture wounds, or glass breaks that draw blood. We keep a few days worth of canned goods to protect against food shortage. We keep charcoal to protect against the inability to use our stove, and I have fire-making equipment (ferro rods, a high carbon knife, flints, emergency matches, birthday candles, charcloth) for use while camping or backpacking, but I always maintain an abundance -- just in case. Many people do much of the above: Almost everyone has a fire extinguisher, or a first aid kit, some canned goods. The government recommends these things, in fact, and there's a run on things like these (and generators, and foodstuffs) before every natural emergency. Many people also maintain gardens for sustainability. Whether or not those things make people "feel safe" is not even in the same category, but I'd argue that it makes many people feel safe to know that they have their own food and water and heat should the system demand it. You're arbitrarily drawing a line at guns and shaming people for wanting to protect against unlikely catastrophes it may defend against.