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That doesn't require a CCW. The guards could easily get exposed firearms permits. They need the CCWs to carry concealed and off duty.

by wl 6y ago

zaroth 6y ago
You can't carry openly in many places, for example, in CA it is illegal to openly carry a handgun. [1] CCW is the only option, and they were holding this guy hostage by not issuing one when it was obviously necessary and appropriate. [1] - https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/faqs/can-i-openly-carry-a-gun-in-california/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/faqs/can-i-openly-carry-a-gun-i...
- wl 6y ago
  It's not illegal to carry a firearm loaded and exposed in California if you have the proper license issued by BSIS, which is separate from a CCW.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    That license is only applicable in specific circumstances, e.g. like for uniformed security guards.
    - wl 6y ago
      Which solves the problem of needing armed guards.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  You don't need a CCW to carry on your own property
  - mlindner 6y ago
    You do in California. Please don't assume every state has the same laws.
    - Rebelgecko 6y ago
      No you dont. It would be silly if you needed a license to open or concealed carry on your own property. That would make it impossible for most Californians to perform gun maintenance at home or defend themselves from an intruder. Here's a decent summary from Gabby Giffords mentioning the right to carry at home and at work (requires permission of business owner but NOT necessarily landlord): https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/location-restrictions-in-california/ https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/location-restricti... If you wanna go straight to the source, section 26035 of the CA Penal Code is a good start: "Nothing in Section 25850 shall prevent any person engaged in any lawful business... or any officer, employee, or agent authorized by that person for lawful purposes connected with that business, from having a loaded firearm within the person’s place of business" 25525 PC is also relevant as it reiterates the home & business exemption to concealed carry laws
      - wl 6y ago
        The problem is you're looking at one statute in isolation and not how courts have interpreted it in concert with other statutes. Yes, sometimes you can lawfully open or concealed carry on your own property without needing a permit. But if it's open to the public, you need a permit. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Unlicensed_Concealed_Carry#Semi_Public_Places_Restrictions http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Unlicensed...
        Rebelgecko 6y ago
        Does Apple's campus meet that standard of being a quasi-public place? I think it's fenced in and access is by invitation only
mlindner 6y ago
You do in California. Please don't assume every state has the same laws.
- wl 6y ago
  I was speaking specifically about California. Guards don't need CCWs to carry loaded and exposed. They just need a guard card and a firearms qualifications card issued by the BSIS.

That doesn't require a CCW. The guards could easily get exposed firearms permits. They need the CCWs to carry concealed and off duty.

by wl 6y ago

That doesn't require a CCW. The guards could easily get exposed firearms permits. They need the CCWs to carry concealed and off duty.

zaroth 6y ago

You can't carry openly in many places, for example, in CA it is illegal to openly carry a handgun. [1] CCW is the only option, and they were holding this guy hostage by not issuing one when it was obviously necessary and appropriate. [1] - https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/faqs/can-i-openly-carry-a-gun-in-california/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/faqs/can-i-openly-carry-a-gun-i...

wl 6y ago
It's not illegal to carry a firearm loaded and exposed in California if you have the proper license issued by BSIS, which is separate from a CCW.
- zaroth 6y ago
  That license is only applicable in specific circumstances, e.g. like for uniformed security guards.
  - wl 6y ago
    Which solves the problem of needing armed guards.
Rebelgecko 6y ago
You don't need a CCW to carry on your own property
- mlindner 6y ago
  You do in California. Please don't assume every state has the same laws.
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    No you dont. It would be silly if you needed a license to open or concealed carry on your own property. That would make it impossible for most Californians to perform gun maintenance at home or defend themselves from an intruder. Here's a decent summary from Gabby Giffords mentioning the right to carry at home and at work (requires permission of business owner but NOT necessarily landlord): https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/location-restrictions-in-california/ https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/location-restricti... If you wanna go straight to the source, section 26035 of the CA Penal Code is a good start: "Nothing in Section 25850 shall prevent any person engaged in any lawful business... or any officer, employee, or agent authorized by that person for lawful purposes connected with that business, from having a loaded firearm within the person’s place of business" 25525 PC is also relevant as it reiterates the home & business exemption to concealed carry laws
    - wl 6y ago
      The problem is you're looking at one statute in isolation and not how courts have interpreted it in concert with other statutes. Yes, sometimes you can lawfully open or concealed carry on your own property without needing a permit. But if it's open to the public, you need a permit. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Unlicensed_Concealed_Carry#Semi_Public_Places_Restrictions http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Unlicensed...
      - Rebelgecko 6y ago
        Does Apple's campus meet that standard of being a quasi-public place? I think it's fenced in and access is by invitation only

mlindner 6y ago

You do in California. Please don't assume every state has the same laws.

wl 6y ago
I was speaking specifically about California. Guards don't need CCWs to carry loaded and exposed. They just need a guard card and a firearms qualifications card issued by the BSIS.