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Ah man, back in 2013 or so I had a full Apache-MySQL-PHP development stack running on my iPad retina, along with multi-windowing, SSH, file-sharing via AFP and

Ah man, back in 2013 or so I had a full Apache-MySQL-PHP development stack running on my iPad retina, along with multi-windowing, SSH, file-sharing via AFP and Bonjour and much more. Amazing what the jailbreak community could do - and that seven years later it’s still not possible to do some of that stuff officially on iOS.

Ar-Curunir 6y ago
> it’s still not possible to do some of that stuff officially on iOS uhh why would apple support developer-oriented things that 99% of the audience wouldn't use, on a consumer-oriented device
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  For the same reason that the iPad pro and macbooks exist?
  - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
    I've come to strongly believe that Apple take the premise that Macs are general purpose computers and iPads are application consoles as a core philosophy. Macs will never be locked down to the degree iOS devices are, and iPads will never be open to the degree Macs are. (Barring their hand being forced by government regulators, of course.) If you want to have an iPad that can also run Xcode, they're going to point you at an Apple Silicon-based MacBook Air that can run iPad apps.
    - Ninn 6y ago
      Whew, good thing you're not in charge then. To me it would seem that the vision for iPad OS is the exact opposite. An attempt at bridging towards having the iPad as a much more generic, almost laptop solution. Close to what the Surface has been trying.
      - SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
        That looks like the aim. Every change to the ipads and macbooks have taken them closer together. It seems that the end goal is you will be able to do almost anything with both of them. With the macbook being more powerful and the ipad being more portable.
      - jamil7 6y ago
        I would love an iPad pro to run Xcode, I think prototyping an app where you have direct access to a touch screen and all sensors would be really productive.
      - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
        I'm not making an assertion about whether that's what I would personally do if I were in charge. I'm making an assertion about how I think Apple sees the difference between the iPad and the Mac. :) I know it runs counter to what a lot of folks seem to think (and definitely what a lot of folks want). But it's genuinely the way I read the tea leaves. The iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard arguably is an "almost laptop solution" already -- what I'm saying is that I don't think Apple has any desire to give the iPad a Unix shell, a fully open file system, the ability to sideload apps, and so on. If you want to run Microsoft Office or Photoshop on your iPad, they think that's great, because there are iPadOS versions of it that fit within their vision of What iPads Are. If you want to run a Docker container with a local web server and Visual Studio Code on your iPad, though, I don't see that fitting in that vision.

Ar-Curunir 6y ago

> it’s still not possible to do some of that stuff officially on iOS uhh why would apple support developer-oriented things that 99% of the audience wouldn't use, on a consumer-oriented device

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
For the same reason that the iPad pro and macbooks exist?
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  I've come to strongly believe that Apple take the premise that Macs are general purpose computers and iPads are application consoles as a core philosophy. Macs will never be locked down to the degree iOS devices are, and iPads will never be open to the degree Macs are. (Barring their hand being forced by government regulators, of course.) If you want to have an iPad that can also run Xcode, they're going to point you at an Apple Silicon-based MacBook Air that can run iPad apps.
  - Ninn 6y ago
    Whew, good thing you're not in charge then. To me it would seem that the vision for iPad OS is the exact opposite. An attempt at bridging towards having the iPad as a much more generic, almost laptop solution. Close to what the Surface has been trying.
    - SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
      That looks like the aim. Every change to the ipads and macbooks have taken them closer together. It seems that the end goal is you will be able to do almost anything with both of them. With the macbook being more powerful and the ipad being more portable.
    - jamil7 6y ago
      I would love an iPad pro to run Xcode, I think prototyping an app where you have direct access to a touch screen and all sensors would be really productive.
    - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
      I'm not making an assertion about whether that's what I would personally do if I were in charge. I'm making an assertion about how I think Apple sees the difference between the iPad and the Mac. :) I know it runs counter to what a lot of folks seem to think (and definitely what a lot of folks want). But it's genuinely the way I read the tea leaves. The iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard arguably is an "almost laptop solution" already -- what I'm saying is that I don't think Apple has any desire to give the iPad a Unix shell, a fully open file system, the ability to sideload apps, and so on. If you want to run Microsoft Office or Photoshop on your iPad, they think that's great, because there are iPadOS versions of it that fit within their vision of What iPads Are. If you want to run a Docker container with a local web server and Visual Studio Code on your iPad, though, I don't see that fitting in that vision.