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I feel like the headline is misleading. The more straightforward headline would be that the sheriffs of Santa Clara county withheld concealed firearms licenses

I feel like the headline is misleading. The more straightforward headline would be that the sheriffs of Santa Clara county withheld concealed firearms licenses to multiple applicants unless they were offered bribes. It sounds like this has been going on for years. Apple's security chief was one of those applicants who paid the bribe to get the permit. But putting "Apple" in the title is more clickbaitey.

paxys 6y ago
How is it misleading when that is exactly what happened? Of course "world's largest company involved in bribery scandal" is more relevant to people than "random town's sheriff department is accepting bribes".
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  I think his point is that the world's largest company is not actually involved in bribery. It's just kind of there as window dressing in this case.
  - paxys 6y ago
    From the article: > Santa Clara County alleges that Mr Sung held back issuing concealed weapons permits to Apple's security team, until Mr Moyer agreed to donate $70,000 worth of iPads to the sheriff's office. So they most definitely are.
    - asciident 6y ago
      It's like if immigration officers don't let you in the country unless you give them a case of liquor. You give them the liquor, and are caught. The story should be that the immigration officers are corrupt and demanding bribes, rather than you, an employee of Hacker News or whatever, being caught bribing immigration officers.
      - bilbo0s 6y ago
        It's actually both, but I see your point. Certainly, the overriding societal impact is the fact that law enforcement is corrupt, not that people pay bribes to corrupt law enforcement. No question.
    - bilbo0s 6y ago
      Version of the story I read made it sound like Moyer was trying to get CCW licenses for his own use. So that was misleading if he was directed by Apple to pay bribes to get CCW licenses. Which is what the line you highlight seems to imply.
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gcblkjaidfj 6y ago
> A grand jury alleges that Thomas Moyer promised to donate 200 iPads worth $70,000 to the Santa Clara Sheriff’s Office in exchange for four concealed firearm licenses for Apple employees. Shilling much? It was a corporate sanctioned move. Very clearly. Yet you try to make it pass as a single individual that could have been employed anywhere.
- dang 6y ago
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dang 6y ago
This comment was merged from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25192826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25192826, which has a different title.

paxys 6y ago

How is it misleading when that is exactly what happened? Of course "world's largest company involved in bribery scandal" is more relevant to people than "random town's sheriff department is accepting bribes".

bilbo0s 6y ago
I think his point is that the world's largest company is not actually involved in bribery. It's just kind of there as window dressing in this case.
- paxys 6y ago
  From the article: > Santa Clara County alleges that Mr Sung held back issuing concealed weapons permits to Apple's security team, until Mr Moyer agreed to donate $70,000 worth of iPads to the sheriff's office. So they most definitely are.
  - asciident 6y ago
    It's like if immigration officers don't let you in the country unless you give them a case of liquor. You give them the liquor, and are caught. The story should be that the immigration officers are corrupt and demanding bribes, rather than you, an employee of Hacker News or whatever, being caught bribing immigration officers.
    - bilbo0s 6y ago
      It's actually both, but I see your point. Certainly, the overriding societal impact is the fact that law enforcement is corrupt, not that people pay bribes to corrupt law enforcement. No question.
  - bilbo0s 6y ago
    Version of the story I read made it sound like Moyer was trying to get CCW licenses for his own use. So that was misleading if he was directed by Apple to pay bribes to get CCW licenses. Which is what the line you highlight seems to imply.

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gcblkjaidfj 6y ago

> A grand jury alleges that Thomas Moyer promised to donate 200 iPads worth $70,000 to the Santa Clara Sheriff’s Office in exchange for four concealed firearm licenses for Apple employees. Shilling much? It was a corporate sanctioned move. Very clearly. Yet you try to make it pass as a single individual that could have been employed anywhere.

dang 6y ago
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dang 6y ago

This comment was merged from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25192826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25192826, which has a different title.