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They are literally comparing against robbery. Burglary is violence too. So is pickpocketing.

triceratops 6y ago
> Burglary is violence too. So is pickpocketing. They literally are not. If I have my pocket picked or my house burgled when I'm out, I may not find out until later. There was no violence or threat of violence employed against my person. Robbery and theft are legally defined as separate crimes. The former is treated far more harshly than the latter.
- SamReidHughes 6y ago
  If it takes violence to protect yourself from that trespass, then instigating that is an act of violence.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    Feel free to put your own spin on the law (not to mention, the English language) but the courts don't see it that way.
    - SamReidHughes 6y ago
      Yes they do. If somebody’s got their hand in your pocket, you can forcibly remove it. If they’re burgling your house, you’ve got the right to shoot them dead.
      - triceratops 6y ago
        > If somebody’s got their hand in your pocket, you can forcibly remove it. It's still pickpocketing, which is theft. Unless they employ force against you in turn, or threaten you, to stop you from removing their hand. That makes it robbery. > If they’re burgling your house, you’ve got the right to shoot them dead. It's still burglary, which is theft. Unless they also employ violence against you, or threaten violence against you, in the course of committing the burglary. That makes it robbery. This isn't my opinion, so there's no use arguing with me. You're arguing against the law and the English language.
        SamReidHughes 6y ago
        In most of America you can shoot people who are burglarizing in your house. It's called the castle doctrine. In Texas you can shoot them as they're running off with your property, if it's after dark.
        triceratops 6y ago
        That's great and all but has no bearing on whether the intruder is a thief or a robber. Even in Texas. They have to offer violence or threaten it to be considered a robber. Otherwise they're a trespasser or thief. If you don't like this, take it up with the dictionary. Sorry for the bluntness but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
- jacinabox 6y ago
  We need to enforce the laws as they are written and right now that means prosecuting time theft by employees a criminal offense. Law and economics tells us that the degree of wrong done by inconveniencing someone is in proportion to the worth of that persons time. If a person of importance to society has a suit against them it must be speedily dismissed.
t-writescode 6y ago
I suspect you're playing with terms from an academic sense here and we're speaking in a different sense, so you're talking past each other.

> Burglary is violence too. So is pickpocketing. They literally are not. If I have my pocket picked or my house burgled when I'm out, I may not find out until later. There was no violence or threat of violence employed against my person. Robbery and theft are legally defined as separate crimes. The former is treated far more harshly than the latter.

SamReidHughes 6y ago
If it takes violence to protect yourself from that trespass, then instigating that is an act of violence.
- triceratops 6y ago
  Feel free to put your own spin on the law (not to mention, the English language) but the courts don't see it that way.
  - SamReidHughes 6y ago
    Yes they do. If somebody’s got their hand in your pocket, you can forcibly remove it. If they’re burgling your house, you’ve got the right to shoot them dead.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      > If somebody’s got their hand in your pocket, you can forcibly remove it. It's still pickpocketing, which is theft. Unless they employ force against you in turn, or threaten you, to stop you from removing their hand. That makes it robbery. > If they’re burgling your house, you’ve got the right to shoot them dead. It's still burglary, which is theft. Unless they also employ violence against you, or threaten violence against you, in the course of committing the burglary. That makes it robbery. This isn't my opinion, so there's no use arguing with me. You're arguing against the law and the English language.
      - SamReidHughes 6y ago
        In most of America you can shoot people who are burglarizing in your house. It's called the castle doctrine. In Texas you can shoot them as they're running off with your property, if it's after dark.
        triceratops 6y ago
        That's great and all but has no bearing on whether the intruder is a thief or a robber. Even in Texas. They have to offer violence or threaten it to be considered a robber. Otherwise they're a trespasser or thief. If you don't like this, take it up with the dictionary. Sorry for the bluntness but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
jacinabox 6y ago
We need to enforce the laws as they are written and right now that means prosecuting time theft by employees a criminal offense. Law and economics tells us that the degree of wrong done by inconveniencing someone is in proportion to the worth of that persons time. If a person of importance to society has a suit against them it must be speedily dismissed.

t-writescode 6y ago

I suspect you're playing with terms from an academic sense here and we're speaking in a different sense, so you're talking past each other.