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I hear it's really difficult to get a CCW in CA unless you are rich or famous. I'm wondering if that's true?

function_seven 6y ago
Depends entirely on the county you live in. In many blue counties, this is true. In red counties, we have sheriffs that hand them out to almost all applicants, and encourage people to apply for permits. It also changes as new sheriffs are elected. Where I live, the previous sheriff was known to reject applications, but the current one is known for the opposite stance.
renewiltord 6y ago
In counties like this, this is the case. Well-meaning citizens say "Well, we trust the police so if we just let them use their discretion everything will be all right". That has the predictable effect it has everywhere in the world which is that the police then choose to monetize that discretion. Similar things happen in the planning department and public works department in San Francisco. Supervisors will receive half-price homes laundered through their parents, that sort of thing. Pretty transparent for the Third World (where sophisticated criminal agents will extract some of the value if they know you have some ill-gotten gains) but certainly sufficient for present-day US (where rule of law is generally available).
- carapace 6y ago
  Yup > The Planning Department, Department of Public Health, and the City Administrator's Office have all been hit with subpoenas stemming from the sprawling federal investigation into corruption in San Francisco government. > ... > The City Attorney's Office's simultaneous investigation has already revealed a relationship between former Public Works director Mohammed Nuru and local entrepreneur Nick Bovis, in which Bovis appears to have taken donations from his charity (Lefty O'Doul's Foundation for Kids), given by city contractors, and funneled them to cover DPW holiday parties. Now it looks like the feds are following up on this pattern and trying to see if there are more examples of city vendors possibly disguising bribes that benefited city employees as charitable gifts. https://sfist.com/2020/07/15/ongoing-fbi-corruption-probe-hits-three-more-sf-city-departments-with-subpoenas/ https://sfist.com/2020/07/15/ongoing-fbi-corruption-probe-hi...
Wingman4l7 6y ago
A key element is whether the permit is "shall-issue" (must be issued if you do the paperwork correctly and pass background checks) vs. "may-issue" (up to the discretion of the local sheriff, who inevitably can be compromised by fame or bribes, which is obviously the case here).
ApolloRising 6y ago
Not all of California, Orange county gives them out slowly but more fairly, they are underfunded for that department so it takes quite some time due to demand.

Depends entirely on the county you live in. In many blue counties, this is true. In red counties, we have sheriffs that hand them out to almost all applicants, and encourage people to apply for permits. It also changes as new sheriffs are elected. Where I live, the previous sheriff was known to reject applications, but the current one is known for the opposite stance.

renewiltord 6y ago

In counties like this, this is the case. Well-meaning citizens say "Well, we trust the police so if we just let them use their discretion everything will be all right". That has the predictable effect it has everywhere in the world which is that the police then choose to monetize that discretion. Similar things happen in the planning department and public works department in San Francisco. Supervisors will receive half-price homes laundered through their parents, that sort of thing. Pretty transparent for the Third World (where sophisticated criminal agents will extract some of the value if they know you have some ill-gotten gains) but certainly sufficient for present-day US (where rule of law is generally available).

carapace 6y ago
Yup > The Planning Department, Department of Public Health, and the City Administrator's Office have all been hit with subpoenas stemming from the sprawling federal investigation into corruption in San Francisco government. > ... > The City Attorney's Office's simultaneous investigation has already revealed a relationship between former Public Works director Mohammed Nuru and local entrepreneur Nick Bovis, in which Bovis appears to have taken donations from his charity (Lefty O'Doul's Foundation for Kids), given by city contractors, and funneled them to cover DPW holiday parties. Now it looks like the feds are following up on this pattern and trying to see if there are more examples of city vendors possibly disguising bribes that benefited city employees as charitable gifts. https://sfist.com/2020/07/15/ongoing-fbi-corruption-probe-hits-three-more-sf-city-departments-with-subpoenas/ https://sfist.com/2020/07/15/ongoing-fbi-corruption-probe-hi...

Wingman4l7 6y ago

A key element is whether the permit is "shall-issue" (must be issued if you do the paperwork correctly and pass background checks) vs. "may-issue" (up to the discretion of the local sheriff, who inevitably can be compromised by fame or bribes, which is obviously the case here).

ApolloRising 6y ago

Not all of California, Orange county gives them out slowly but more fairly, they are underfunded for that department so it takes quite some time due to demand.