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That's an apples to oranges comparison (pun intended). If I forget passcode my device, why I shouldn't be allowed to reset and configure it from scratch if I am

That's an apples to oranges comparison (pun intended). If I forget passcode my device, why I shouldn't be allowed to reset and configure it from scratch if I am willing to lose my data? There can be numerous situations in which this can happen like a child trying passcode repeated. You will be happy if apple bricks your M1 laptop if you forgot the password due to any reason. What happened to spirit of HN culture?

valuearb 6y ago
Stop spouting falsehoods. You can reset your iPhone without your passcode https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204306 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204306 and Apple isn’t changing anything about how M1 Macs are secured over other Macs, and certainly not bricking them for lost passwords.
rootusrootus 6y ago
You were not clear, and your implication was that Apple would not help you unlock a locked phone. Not that you had a bricked phone because of activation lock. It is somewhat difficult to lock your own device so that you cannot factory reset it. You wouldn't just have to lose the passcode, you would also need to lose the credentials to your iCloud account as well as your purchase receipt for the phone. Then you become indistinguishable from a thief. I am okay with Apple's choice on this, as I prefer the security and the theft deterrence. I keep several methods for recovering my iCloud account, and I keep the receipt for my expensive devices. Does activation lock even apply to Macbooks?
- drieddust 6y ago
  > It is somewhat difficult to lock your own device so that you cannot factory reset it.... Well this can happen to non tech savvy users like my wife who configured their device once and then just used it for couple of years until the day of the incident. > I am okay with Apple's choice on this, as I prefer the security and the theft deterrence. I keep several methods for recovering my iCloud account, and I keep the receipt for my expensive devices. This would mean market for stolen iDevices should not exist? > Does activation lock even apply to Macbooks? Not yet but it might once M1 becomes ubiquitous.
  - rootusrootus 6y ago
    > then just used it for couple of years I have never managed to go anywhere near that long without being prompted for my iCloud password for one reason or another. And if you did lose the password, you could use password recovery to get it back. It really seems like a contrived example.

valuearb 6y ago

Stop spouting falsehoods. You can reset your iPhone without your passcode https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204306 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204306 and Apple isn’t changing anything about how M1 Macs are secured over other Macs, and certainly not bricking them for lost passwords.

rootusrootus 6y ago

You were not clear, and your implication was that Apple would not help you unlock a locked phone. Not that you had a bricked phone because of activation lock. It is somewhat difficult to lock your own device so that you cannot factory reset it. You wouldn't just have to lose the passcode, you would also need to lose the credentials to your iCloud account as well as your purchase receipt for the phone. Then you become indistinguishable from a thief. I am okay with Apple's choice on this, as I prefer the security and the theft deterrence. I keep several methods for recovering my iCloud account, and I keep the receipt for my expensive devices. Does activation lock even apply to Macbooks?

drieddust 6y ago
> It is somewhat difficult to lock your own device so that you cannot factory reset it.... Well this can happen to non tech savvy users like my wife who configured their device once and then just used it for couple of years until the day of the incident. > I am okay with Apple's choice on this, as I prefer the security and the theft deterrence. I keep several methods for recovering my iCloud account, and I keep the receipt for my expensive devices. This would mean market for stolen iDevices should not exist? > Does activation lock even apply to Macbooks? Not yet but it might once M1 becomes ubiquitous.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  > then just used it for couple of years I have never managed to go anywhere near that long without being prompted for my iCloud password for one reason or another. And if you did lose the password, you could use password recovery to get it back. It really seems like a contrived example.