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I agree. The unverified information needs to be investigated by the relevant authorities (prosecutors and the justice system). Under normal circumstances the in

I agree. The unverified information needs to be investigated by the relevant authorities (prosecutors and the justice system). Under normal circumstances the information would be swept under the rug.

zests 6y ago
Interestingly enough, a story about government corruption was recently censored by major social media companies.
- pfisch 6y ago
  This is exactly what I'm talking about. That laptop was verified by no one. The media wasn't even allowed to access it. Yet the story was able to spread like wildfire through the US. I don't know if it was authentic or the origins of it, and no credible media source was able to verify it. Frankly, the story of where it came from was absurd. So did that story help bad actors or good actors? I would say bad actors because the people pushing the story seem to be playing fast and loose with verifiable facts and truth. This is tearing the US apart by the seams. We are now in a situation where the president is openly attempting a coup on the popular vote, and using massive amounts of unverified information that is mostly false to push his agenda of destroying democracy.
  - CapricornNoble 6y ago
    >>>I don't know if it was authentic or the origins of it, and no credible media source was able to verify it. Frankly, the story of where it came from was absurd. Much like the contents of the Steele Dossier...
    - pfisch 6y ago
      If you recall a lot of outlets didn't want to run the steele dossier. It was leaked by buzzfeed. However, the provenance of it was very clear. We know who wrote it, and who he was working for. It was unverified oppo research and that was also clear. https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/zurawik/bal-buzzfeed--trump-dossier-journalism-debased-20170111-story.html https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/zurawik/bal-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/11/the-problem-of-too-much-information/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/11/th...
  - tekknik 6y ago
    > This is tearing the US apart by the seams Democrats are doing a pretty good job on that on their own. They attempt to force thoughts and beliefs on others, “cancelling” anybody getting in the way. When was the last time you saw a republican NOT getting screamed at by some liberal on any of the popular sites? Even now your comment reads as though you don’t want the parties to work together. > We are now in a situation where the president is openly attempting a coup on the popular vote We don’t use popular vote though. We use electoral college. And the media is overplaying this to induce panic from people like you. He’s not going to stage a coup, and if he did, even the republicans would stand against him. Calm down.
    - pfisch 6y ago
      > We don’t use popular vote though. We use electoral college. And the media is overplaying this to induce panic from people like you. He’s not going to stage a coup, and if he did, even the republicans would stand against him. Calm down. This is nonsense. Trump is openly trying to overturn the popular vote in PA, GA, MI, etc. That is how electoral votes are decided. He has openly called for the legislature to overturn the popular vote in these states based on nothing. This isn't some outlier. He made similar accusations about fraud in 2016, and even in a race during the primaries against Ted Cruz. He has already tried to stage a coup. We are past that point. I do want the parties to work together, but I don't know what to do about these 2 bubbles I see being created on the right and left of these very deep fantasy worlds. It is like the world of LOTR, where you read about hobbits, and then there are all these stories about hobbits and this deep web of information about this world that doesn't exist. Except now the right and left are creating these worlds and people can't tell it isn't real. This has been a growing problem, and it is now at the point where it is threatening our democracy.
      - tekknik 6y ago
        Case in point, when you try to tell a democrat they’re doing something wrong they start alibi seeking. > This is nonsense. Trump is openly trying to overturn the popular vote in PA, GA, MI, etc. That is how electoral votes are decided. He has openly called for the legislature to overturn the popular vote in these states based on nothing. Yes, he’s trying to overturn illegal votes, he’s well within his right. Had Trump won and Biden lost you wouldn’t be angry. You’re only angry now because there’s a chance, however small, that Trump can still win and this upsets you. Calm down, turn off CNN, this is not what a coup look like. Republicans tried to secure the vote with national voting IDs, people are too poor the democrats said. India uses electronic voting to secure the vote, yet we’re too poor. So this mistrust in the voting system is again the fault of the democrats. The truth is there’s fraud in every election, it’s just usually not enough to swing the vote. Did you not read of all the problems with non residents and non citizens getting ballots anyway? > This has been a growing problem, and it is now at the point where it is threatening our democracy. Agreed, so let’s go for voter IDs so this question never comes up again?

I agree. The unverified information needs to be investigated by the relevant authorities (prosecutors and the justice system). Under normal circumstances the information would be swept under the rug.

zests 6y ago

Interestingly enough, a story about government corruption was recently censored by major social media companies.

pfisch 6y ago
This is exactly what I'm talking about. That laptop was verified by no one. The media wasn't even allowed to access it. Yet the story was able to spread like wildfire through the US. I don't know if it was authentic or the origins of it, and no credible media source was able to verify it. Frankly, the story of where it came from was absurd. So did that story help bad actors or good actors? I would say bad actors because the people pushing the story seem to be playing fast and loose with verifiable facts and truth. This is tearing the US apart by the seams. We are now in a situation where the president is openly attempting a coup on the popular vote, and using massive amounts of unverified information that is mostly false to push his agenda of destroying democracy.
- CapricornNoble 6y ago
  >>>I don't know if it was authentic or the origins of it, and no credible media source was able to verify it. Frankly, the story of where it came from was absurd. Much like the contents of the Steele Dossier...
  - pfisch 6y ago
    If you recall a lot of outlets didn't want to run the steele dossier. It was leaked by buzzfeed. However, the provenance of it was very clear. We know who wrote it, and who he was working for. It was unverified oppo research and that was also clear. https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/zurawik/bal-buzzfeed--trump-dossier-journalism-debased-20170111-story.html https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/columnists/zurawik/bal-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/11/the-problem-of-too-much-information/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/11/th...
- tekknik 6y ago
  > This is tearing the US apart by the seams Democrats are doing a pretty good job on that on their own. They attempt to force thoughts and beliefs on others, “cancelling” anybody getting in the way. When was the last time you saw a republican NOT getting screamed at by some liberal on any of the popular sites? Even now your comment reads as though you don’t want the parties to work together. > We are now in a situation where the president is openly attempting a coup on the popular vote We don’t use popular vote though. We use electoral college. And the media is overplaying this to induce panic from people like you. He’s not going to stage a coup, and if he did, even the republicans would stand against him. Calm down.
  - pfisch 6y ago
    > We don’t use popular vote though. We use electoral college. And the media is overplaying this to induce panic from people like you. He’s not going to stage a coup, and if he did, even the republicans would stand against him. Calm down. This is nonsense. Trump is openly trying to overturn the popular vote in PA, GA, MI, etc. That is how electoral votes are decided. He has openly called for the legislature to overturn the popular vote in these states based on nothing. This isn't some outlier. He made similar accusations about fraud in 2016, and even in a race during the primaries against Ted Cruz. He has already tried to stage a coup. We are past that point. I do want the parties to work together, but I don't know what to do about these 2 bubbles I see being created on the right and left of these very deep fantasy worlds. It is like the world of LOTR, where you read about hobbits, and then there are all these stories about hobbits and this deep web of information about this world that doesn't exist. Except now the right and left are creating these worlds and people can't tell it isn't real. This has been a growing problem, and it is now at the point where it is threatening our democracy.
    - tekknik 6y ago
      Case in point, when you try to tell a democrat they’re doing something wrong they start alibi seeking. > This is nonsense. Trump is openly trying to overturn the popular vote in PA, GA, MI, etc. That is how electoral votes are decided. He has openly called for the legislature to overturn the popular vote in these states based on nothing. Yes, he’s trying to overturn illegal votes, he’s well within his right. Had Trump won and Biden lost you wouldn’t be angry. You’re only angry now because there’s a chance, however small, that Trump can still win and this upsets you. Calm down, turn off CNN, this is not what a coup look like. Republicans tried to secure the vote with national voting IDs, people are too poor the democrats said. India uses electronic voting to secure the vote, yet we’re too poor. So this mistrust in the voting system is again the fault of the democrats. The truth is there’s fraud in every election, it’s just usually not enough to swing the vote. Did you not read of all the problems with non residents and non citizens getting ballots anyway? > This has been a growing problem, and it is now at the point where it is threatening our democracy. Agreed, so let’s go for voter IDs so this question never comes up again?