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>moderately prosperous society in all respects. >satisfaction rate among locals was over 99 percent >About 1.88 million people living in poor mountainous area

>moderately prosperous society in all respects. >satisfaction rate among locals was over 99 percent >About 1.88 million people living in poor mountainous areas have been relocated to urban areas >Various supporting measures have been taken to ensure that at least one person on average in each relocated household gets employed. Reads like an Onion article.

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free_rms 6y ago
What's so funny about it? I've been to rural China, and it tracks with the improvements I saw. But maybe that's anecdotal, do you have more insight on the matter?
- throw93232 6y ago
  My country had 99% election approval during communism as well. China propably made some progress, but numbers are just propaganda. If anything certain muslim regions are far from happy.
  - free_rms 6y ago
    Ah, the "China is exactly like 1979 Poland" gambit. https://twitter.com/fullhomosexual/status/1328804154165391360/photo/1 https://twitter.com/fullhomosexual/status/132880415416539136... The downfall of the US is that we're SO CERTAIN that our way is the only right and good way, and it gives us blind spots.
    - Rompect 6y ago
      > @fullhomosexual lmao
      - porpoise 6y ago
        Where does it say that?
    - jvanderbot 6y ago
      We can both be flawed. I wouldn't believe a 99% approval here, in China, in Italy, in South Africa, in Poland, anywhere.
      - free_rms 6y ago
        The quote: Assessment by third-party agencies earlier this month showed that the poverty incidence in the nine counties in Guizhou decreased to zero percent and that the satisfaction rate among locals was over 99 percent, said Li Jian, director of the provincial poverty alleviation and development office, at a press briefing. It does sound like that provincial bureaucrat was getting ahead of themselves. It doesn't sound like Orwell 1984, and it's not really the heart of the story.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    > If anything certain muslim regions are far from happy. "Certain Muslim regions" really means only Xinjiang and the Uighurs living within (and some of the much smaller Kazakh and Kyrgyz population, too). The Muslim minority in central China has long since assimilated to the Han majority in their political opinions.
jvanderbot 6y ago
The satisfaction rate is arguably a bad metric. Would anyone in rural China tell a government surveyor they were dissatisfied with their government-supplied job? I doubt it. There's a reason this book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1442256885/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1442256885/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... spends so much time talking about the problems with government-supplied housing, income, jobs, education, etc ... it makes it nearly impossible to not side with whatever the gov says.
- yorwba 6y ago
  > Would anyone in rural China tell a government surveyor they were dissatisfied with their government-supplied job? I doubt it. Of course they would if they can. Those are two different governments: the government-supplied job is supplied by the local government, while the surveyor is sent by the provincial or central government. Complaining to them about the local government is an opportunity to have the central government step in and rectify the issue. Of course local governments know that as well, and to avoid having people tell on them, they use all kinds of tricks to deceive the surveyors. Depthpaper magazine published an investigative report last year https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/hXPd-mFNnnxQheR7tB64WQ https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/hXPd-mFNnnxQheR7tB64WQ on a particular case where the local government was ordered to stop trying to interfere (so their deception failed). One thing they did was to find out in advance which households would be visited, and then they handed out various goods bought in advance, to make it look like that family had been enjoying a relatively high standard of living for quite some time. Since the central government's success rate at detecting cheating local governments is probably not that high, I expect that there are still a lot of counties that are officially above the poverty line but actually still below it.
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    With respect, I don't think you've ever lived under a remotely totalitarian government. Complaints are typically viewed by default as unpatriotic, obstructionist borderline sabotage, and only a fool would make one.
Jweb_Guru 6y ago
There have been independent surveys of China, you know... 99% is obviously an overstatement but young people especially are genuinely very satisfied with their national government (less so locally).
- zalkota 6y ago
  And you believe that?
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Can_Not 6y ago
I can't vouch for the accuracy of what's going on in China from my armchair atop an ivory tower, but where I live society seems increasingly in a decline of prosperity, I had to search long and hard for a job, execute and fund my relocation on my own, and most of the population had it significantly far worse than I did. But I live in a society where numerous objectively terrible Android games have 4.5/5 star ratings, so I have no trouble believing that a foreign country has a 99/100 satisfaction rating.

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free_rms 6y ago

What's so funny about it? I've been to rural China, and it tracks with the improvements I saw. But maybe that's anecdotal, do you have more insight on the matter?

throw93232 6y ago
My country had 99% election approval during communism as well. China propably made some progress, but numbers are just propaganda. If anything certain muslim regions are far from happy.
- free_rms 6y ago
  Ah, the "China is exactly like 1979 Poland" gambit. https://twitter.com/fullhomosexual/status/1328804154165391360/photo/1 https://twitter.com/fullhomosexual/status/132880415416539136... The downfall of the US is that we're SO CERTAIN that our way is the only right and good way, and it gives us blind spots.
  - Rompect 6y ago
    > @fullhomosexual lmao
    - porpoise 6y ago
      Where does it say that?
  - jvanderbot 6y ago
    We can both be flawed. I wouldn't believe a 99% approval here, in China, in Italy, in South Africa, in Poland, anywhere.
    - free_rms 6y ago
      The quote: Assessment by third-party agencies earlier this month showed that the poverty incidence in the nine counties in Guizhou decreased to zero percent and that the satisfaction rate among locals was over 99 percent, said Li Jian, director of the provincial poverty alleviation and development office, at a press briefing. It does sound like that provincial bureaucrat was getting ahead of themselves. It doesn't sound like Orwell 1984, and it's not really the heart of the story.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > If anything certain muslim regions are far from happy. "Certain Muslim regions" really means only Xinjiang and the Uighurs living within (and some of the much smaller Kazakh and Kyrgyz population, too). The Muslim minority in central China has long since assimilated to the Han majority in their political opinions.

jvanderbot 6y ago

The satisfaction rate is arguably a bad metric. Would anyone in rural China tell a government surveyor they were dissatisfied with their government-supplied job? I doubt it. There's a reason this book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1442256885/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1442256885/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... spends so much time talking about the problems with government-supplied housing, income, jobs, education, etc ... it makes it nearly impossible to not side with whatever the gov says.

yorwba 6y ago
> Would anyone in rural China tell a government surveyor they were dissatisfied with their government-supplied job? I doubt it. Of course they would if they can. Those are two different governments: the government-supplied job is supplied by the local government, while the surveyor is sent by the provincial or central government. Complaining to them about the local government is an opportunity to have the central government step in and rectify the issue. Of course local governments know that as well, and to avoid having people tell on them, they use all kinds of tricks to deceive the surveyors. Depthpaper magazine published an investigative report last year https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/hXPd-mFNnnxQheR7tB64WQ https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/hXPd-mFNnnxQheR7tB64WQ on a particular case where the local government was ordered to stop trying to interfere (so their deception failed). One thing they did was to find out in advance which households would be visited, and then they handed out various goods bought in advance, to make it look like that family had been enjoying a relatively high standard of living for quite some time. Since the central government's success rate at detecting cheating local governments is probably not that high, I expect that there are still a lot of counties that are officially above the poverty line but actually still below it.
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  With respect, I don't think you've ever lived under a remotely totalitarian government. Complaints are typically viewed by default as unpatriotic, obstructionist borderline sabotage, and only a fool would make one.

Jweb_Guru 6y ago

There have been independent surveys of China, you know... 99% is obviously an overstatement but young people especially are genuinely very satisfied with their national government (less so locally).

zalkota 6y ago
And you believe that?

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Can_Not 6y ago

I can't vouch for the accuracy of what's going on in China from my armchair atop an ivory tower, but where I live society seems increasingly in a decline of prosperity, I had to search long and hard for a job, execute and fund my relocation on my own, and most of the population had it significantly far worse than I did. But I live in a society where numerous objectively terrible Android games have 4.5/5 star ratings, so I have no trouble believing that a foreign country has a 99/100 satisfaction rating.