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Newsgroups, IRC, Email Lists, Blogs... The biggest change is the creation of the term cyber bullying. In the "old" days one just didn't pay attention to opinion

Newsgroups, IRC, Email Lists, Blogs... The biggest change is the creation of the term cyber bullying. In the "old" days one just didn't pay attention to opinions they disagreed with. Now they seek government to impose draconian censorship on opinions they don't agree with.

Raffers 6y ago
When you have documented cases of, primarily teens. Taking their own lives due to these interactions. Then it becomes a bit more than "opinions they don't agree with" & crosses into full on harassment.
darkcha0s 6y ago
>In the "old" days one just didn't pay attention to opinions they disagreed with. Now they seek government to impose draconian censorship on opinions they don't agree with Excuse me for sounding daft, but I think the intensity with which you are confronted with these opinions has changed drastically. I think you're purposefully being a bit ignorant here; no one (viz: 'they') wants to cancel opinions they disagree with. However to think that false information has the same platform today that it had 50 years ago is also just plain wrong-- and whether you agree with it or not, it does shape the public discourse these days. Unless you want to erode discussions to a point where its a battle of who can fabricate the biggest claim (true or not), you're going to have to accept that in a modern information society we will eventually need some form of controls. Case in point: https://twitter.com/0x445442 https://twitter.com/0x445442 (Seems you have a problem with "Leftists" and like to retweet right wing tweets)
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  Sorry, but posting this guy's Twitter doesn't prove anything. These are _opinions_ he's posting, and it's the responsibility of other people to decide if they care about these opinions or not. Back in the day, the internet just laughed at "stupid people". Now it tries to ruin their lives for daring to say something edgy. "Information controls" is one of the most horrific concepts I've ever heard of.
  - darkcha0s 6y ago
    It proves that this guy has a platform where anybody with internet access to read his opinions. That is the point here-- people's 'opinions' are no longer in some hidden corner, but are front and center of your news feed. "Information Controls" -- I see you are making some kind of boogey man of this, but this already exists in some forms already (Slander/Libel/etc). I don't know how anyone can seriously argue that anyone should be able to claim whatever they want with no repercussions (especially when that anyone holds a position of power -- you could easily fabricate a story with false pretences to justify further power grabs).
- gruez 6y ago
  >I think you're purposefully being a bit ignorant here; no one (viz: 'they') wants to cancel opinions they disagree with Didn't some guy literally get canceled because he posted a study that discussed the effectiveness of violent vs peaceful protests? random search: https://twitter.com/jenbrea/status/1271148784316108800?lang=en https://twitter.com/jenbrea/status/1271148784316108800?lang=...
- 0x445442 6y ago
  And who decides the “controls” and what is false information?
- splaytreemap 6y ago
  Hunting down this guy's Twitter in an effort to defame him tells me even you think your argument is too weak to be persuasive. You're working really hard to avoid debating him on the merits of his argument. Leave off the ad-hominem attacks in the future.
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mfer 6y ago
There's a difference between bullying and people posting things that some others don't agree with. I understand that some will blur the line but there is a difference. Bullying is "Insulting with threats". When someone says, "I believe X" or "I believe X because of Y" there are no threats or insulting going on.
pjc50 6y ago
Fairly sure that was an issue as far back as the modem and MUD issue, just that it was happening to fewer people. I remember it being discussed (especially sexual harrasment) in https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfing-Internet-J-C-Herz/dp/0349106142 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfing-Internet-J-C-Herz/dp/034910... (published 1996)

Raffers 6y ago

When you have documented cases of, primarily teens. Taking their own lives due to these interactions. Then it becomes a bit more than "opinions they don't agree with" & crosses into full on harassment.

darkcha0s 6y ago

>In the "old" days one just didn't pay attention to opinions they disagreed with. Now they seek government to impose draconian censorship on opinions they don't agree with Excuse me for sounding daft, but I think the intensity with which you are confronted with these opinions has changed drastically. I think you're purposefully being a bit ignorant here; no one (viz: 'they') wants to cancel opinions they disagree with. However to think that false information has the same platform today that it had 50 years ago is also just plain wrong-- and whether you agree with it or not, it does shape the public discourse these days. Unless you want to erode discussions to a point where its a battle of who can fabricate the biggest claim (true or not), you're going to have to accept that in a modern information society we will eventually need some form of controls. Case in point: https://twitter.com/0x445442 https://twitter.com/0x445442 (Seems you have a problem with "Leftists" and like to retweet right wing tweets)

throwaway3699 6y ago
Sorry, but posting this guy's Twitter doesn't prove anything. These are _opinions_ he's posting, and it's the responsibility of other people to decide if they care about these opinions or not. Back in the day, the internet just laughed at "stupid people". Now it tries to ruin their lives for daring to say something edgy. "Information controls" is one of the most horrific concepts I've ever heard of.
- darkcha0s 6y ago
  It proves that this guy has a platform where anybody with internet access to read his opinions. That is the point here-- people's 'opinions' are no longer in some hidden corner, but are front and center of your news feed. "Information Controls" -- I see you are making some kind of boogey man of this, but this already exists in some forms already (Slander/Libel/etc). I don't know how anyone can seriously argue that anyone should be able to claim whatever they want with no repercussions (especially when that anyone holds a position of power -- you could easily fabricate a story with false pretences to justify further power grabs).
gruez 6y ago
>I think you're purposefully being a bit ignorant here; no one (viz: 'they') wants to cancel opinions they disagree with Didn't some guy literally get canceled because he posted a study that discussed the effectiveness of violent vs peaceful protests? random search: https://twitter.com/jenbrea/status/1271148784316108800?lang=en https://twitter.com/jenbrea/status/1271148784316108800?lang=...
0x445442 6y ago
And who decides the “controls” and what is false information?
splaytreemap 6y ago
Hunting down this guy's Twitter in an effort to defame him tells me even you think your argument is too weak to be persuasive. You're working really hard to avoid debating him on the merits of his argument. Leave off the ad-hominem attacks in the future.

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mfer 6y ago

There's a difference between bullying and people posting things that some others don't agree with. I understand that some will blur the line but there is a difference. Bullying is "Insulting with threats". When someone says, "I believe X" or "I believe X because of Y" there are no threats or insulting going on.

pjc50 6y ago

Fairly sure that was an issue as far back as the modem and MUD issue, just that it was happening to fewer people. I remember it being discussed (especially sexual harrasment) in https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfing-Internet-J-C-Herz/dp/0349106142 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Surfing-Internet-J-C-Herz/dp/034910... (published 1996)