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> We know for a fact that this is a much smaller problem on iOS than Android. I am happy that Android exists as a choice for users but let us not pretend there

by 0goel0 6y ago

> We know for a fact that this is a much smaller problem on iOS than Android. I am happy that Android exists as a choice for users but let us not pretend there are no trade offs. Android is not a choice for iOS users, it's not a seamless switch. The solution as I see it is that apple could still very well protect users from "trojans" but have an opt-in for 3p app installation. A button that says "I want to install apps from anywhere, I know the risks". If I pay for the hardware, as a customer, I should be able to do whatever I want with it. With the iPhone, it feels like I'm renting rather than owning. I worry that's the direction apple is taking Macs in with the M1.

evgen 6y ago
The problem with this 'I know the risks' approach is that it is often put out there by people who do know the risks but these people are massively outnumbered by the huge mass of people who have no idea about the risks but will gladly install from Bob's FlyByNight App Emporium if it means they will get a "can't lose" video poker app or a chance to win a free Fortnite skin and please be sure to click OK to all of those security warnings thanks so much for your bank details... If you want a different ecosystem there are choices available to you. Why exactly are you complaining when it is clear no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use Apple products?
- sneak 6y ago
  I think the answer to this is painfully clear: because no one makes hardware anywhere near close to the quality of mac and iphone hardware in those verticals. We'd like to use the best available software, running on the best available hardware. Criticizing Apple's software censorship choices is thus the natural logical target. Otherwise, we have to use things like the PinePhone for the next 10-15 years until someone makes something comparable to an iPhone 6 that can run whatever software the owner wants.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Alternatively one could contribute to making the competing hardware just as good.
    - sneak 6y ago
      Do you have any suggestions as to how? I am not in the phone business.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        By buying phones from the likes of Jolla and Purism.
        sneak 6y ago
        I'm not sure how buying products not remotely as good has any effect whatsoever on making anything "just as good".
        pjmlp 6y ago
        By sponsoring the development of better phones. First generation of iPhones also sucked versus what Symbian and Windows CE/Pocket PC phones were capable of.

by 0goel0 6y ago

evgen 6y ago

The problem with this 'I know the risks' approach is that it is often put out there by people who do know the risks but these people are massively outnumbered by the huge mass of people who have no idea about the risks but will gladly install from Bob's FlyByNight App Emporium if it means they will get a "can't lose" video poker app or a chance to win a free Fortnite skin and please be sure to click OK to all of those security warnings thanks so much for your bank details... If you want a different ecosystem there are choices available to you. Why exactly are you complaining when it is clear no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use Apple products?

sneak 6y ago
I think the answer to this is painfully clear: because no one makes hardware anywhere near close to the quality of mac and iphone hardware in those verticals. We'd like to use the best available software, running on the best available hardware. Criticizing Apple's software censorship choices is thus the natural logical target. Otherwise, we have to use things like the PinePhone for the next 10-15 years until someone makes something comparable to an iPhone 6 that can run whatever software the owner wants.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Alternatively one could contribute to making the competing hardware just as good.
  - sneak 6y ago
    Do you have any suggestions as to how? I am not in the phone business.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      By buying phones from the likes of Jolla and Purism.
      - sneak 6y ago
        I'm not sure how buying products not remotely as good has any effect whatsoever on making anything "just as good".
        pjmlp 6y ago
        By sponsoring the development of better phones. First generation of iPhones also sucked versus what Symbian and Windows CE/Pocket PC phones were capable of.