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Everyone knows what happened to Intel. They bet everything on their 10nm process - which has greater transistor density than TSMC's 7nm process - and they lost.

Everyone knows what happened to Intel. They bet everything on their 10nm process - which has greater transistor density than TSMC's 7nm process - and they lost. Intel flew too close to the sun and their wings melted. The vitriol everyone has for them is based on the fact they could have been pumping out cheap 4 / 6 / 8 core chips for people, but instead held the entire world of computing at basically quad-core CPU level for the better part of a decade. And I share that vitriol. I'm happy they're suffering and are in pain. I hope the same thing happens to NVIDIA. I hope the same thing happens to AMD. I relish when a company and when people are made to suffer when they hold back our technological process in the name of fucking quarterly profits.

oblio 6y ago
> I hope the same thing happens to AMD. Why AMD? > I relish when a company and when people are made to suffer when they hold back our technological process in the name of fucking quarterly profits. Apple is doing the same thing. This only helps Apple, it's a proprietary design that's not even standard ARM, they have extensions. And it won't ever be available outside of Apple products.
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  > Why AMD? I think OP is saying that once AMD reaches the dominant market position that they hope some upstart comes in and takes them out of their comfort zone.
tambourine_man 6y ago
I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound. They've been through dozens of node transitions, some very challenging, to the point of pundits claiming it couldn't be done because physics (300nm comes to mind, turns out, masks interference came to the rescue, or something like that). They also reinvented them selves as a CPU company, went for lower prices with the Celeron, bit the bullet on Itanium and embraced AMD's x86-64, backpedaled the Pentium 4 thermal disaster and went from Pentium 3 into the Core architecture, took the server and HPC market by assault… Never have I seen them this lost and in denial.
- cbozeman 6y ago
  Oh, you mean overall why do they fucking suck so hardcore? That's also an easy two-part answer, look at their CEO and former CEO. Kraznich or however you spell his name, never knew a time (as CEO) when Intel wasn't top dog (and I'm not talking about 6 months of AMD being on top with Athlon 64), so he's never been hungry. In fact, his "dismissal" from Intel for hashtagMeeEeEToOoO is nonsense. They had been dating for years, before the anti-frat policy was put into place, and their relationship was cleared by HR; Brian got axed because someone had to take the fall for 10nm sucking so much donkey dick. The new guy isn't even an engineer, he's an MBA. Anything Intel does under his leadership will be solely the result of everyone but him. Contrast this with AMD, where Dr. Lisa Su is an amazing engineer and also a brilliant businesslady. Part two is culture. Intel is full of arrogant jackasses who are in denial about how awesome they are. Turns out AMD and Apple have legitimate badasses designing their chips, but they also have managers that aren't causing unnecessary conflict between different teams. This same shit happened to Microsoft years ago too, by the way... turns out causing a lot of conflict on your teams in the name of 'dA cReAm riSing To ThE Top!' is a fucking idiotic management style, which should have been obvious to these sub-geniuses if they'd spend more time in their biology classes - humans are a collaborative species.

oblio 6y ago

> I hope the same thing happens to AMD. Why AMD? > I relish when a company and when people are made to suffer when they hold back our technological process in the name of fucking quarterly profits. Apple is doing the same thing. This only helps Apple, it's a proprietary design that's not even standard ARM, they have extensions. And it won't ever be available outside of Apple products.

scoopertrooper 6y ago
> Why AMD? I think OP is saying that once AMD reaches the dominant market position that they hope some upstart comes in and takes them out of their comfort zone.

tambourine_man 6y ago

I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it sound. They've been through dozens of node transitions, some very challenging, to the point of pundits claiming it couldn't be done because physics (300nm comes to mind, turns out, masks interference came to the rescue, or something like that). They also reinvented them selves as a CPU company, went for lower prices with the Celeron, bit the bullet on Itanium and embraced AMD's x86-64, backpedaled the Pentium 4 thermal disaster and went from Pentium 3 into the Core architecture, took the server and HPC market by assault… Never have I seen them this lost and in denial.

cbozeman 6y ago
Oh, you mean overall why do they fucking suck so hardcore? That's also an easy two-part answer, look at their CEO and former CEO. Kraznich or however you spell his name, never knew a time (as CEO) when Intel wasn't top dog (and I'm not talking about 6 months of AMD being on top with Athlon 64), so he's never been hungry. In fact, his "dismissal" from Intel for hashtagMeeEeEToOoO is nonsense. They had been dating for years, before the anti-frat policy was put into place, and their relationship was cleared by HR; Brian got axed because someone had to take the fall for 10nm sucking so much donkey dick. The new guy isn't even an engineer, he's an MBA. Anything Intel does under his leadership will be solely the result of everyone but him. Contrast this with AMD, where Dr. Lisa Su is an amazing engineer and also a brilliant businesslady. Part two is culture. Intel is full of arrogant jackasses who are in denial about how awesome they are. Turns out AMD and Apple have legitimate badasses designing their chips, but they also have managers that aren't causing unnecessary conflict between different teams. This same shit happened to Microsoft years ago too, by the way... turns out causing a lot of conflict on your teams in the name of 'dA cReAm riSing To ThE Top!' is a fucking idiotic management style, which should have been obvious to these sub-geniuses if they'd spend more time in their biology classes - humans are a collaborative species.