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I was wondering why Gamer Nexus (a very rigorous YouTube review channel) didn't sent a M1 device, while those Apple fanboy channels got it. Probably the dude wo

I was wondering why Gamer Nexus (a very rigorous YouTube review channel) didn't sent a M1 device, while those Apple fanboy channels got it. Probably the dude would've torn the M1 performance claims apart.

my123 6y ago
Because those outlets never get Macs usually, and it isn't what they cover. Note that a laptop chip also isn't a gaming product, for obvious reasons.
- fomine3 6y ago
  Thankfully AnandTech received Mac mini unit from Apple, Thanks Anand now at Apple?
- vvwvvwvvw 6y ago
  Gamers Nexus also does CPU tests, when reviewing CPUs. Gaming benchmarks are an aside. Also if Apple's opening statement for M1 is that its industry-leading, then they should let these reviewers substantiate it, because that's what they usually review.
Tade0 6y ago
Because the GPU there is okay-ish, but not amazing - not really suitable for gaming.
- bfgoodrich 6y ago
  The power-sipping, integrated GPU has performance 30% better than a GTX 1050 Ti [1]. The GTX 1050 Ti is still a current, sold product [2], selling for $150 or so USD [3], and consumes about 75-100W in your PC. We can no true Scotsman this, but that GPU performance is a literal magnitude+ greater than what the majority of users have in their computers (and I am including full desktops in this discussion). The overwhelming majority of users are not paying $500-$1000 for a GPU (now add the 700W+ PSU, and what in effect becomes a space heater), which is the current going rate for the mythical gaming market. Is it intended for enthusiast gamers who have giant $1000 graphics cards sucking 300W? No, of course not. There is no surprise that Apple didn't send it to a guy who targets that crowd. But for the vast majority of people that chip would represent a pretty significant upgrade over what they currently have. [1] - Even in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, demonstrated purely given that it was running under Rosetta 2, it did quite decent. [2] - Current products from EVGA, Gigabyte, ASUS and others feature the GTX 1050 Ti, making it a current product. [3] - Which is a range, and above, that similar cards sell for. If you can time travel you may be able to get an equal performance level for less, but I lack time travel abilities.
  - vmvarga 6y ago
    That was some Fake news using worthless benchmarks. It's not even near 1050 Ti in the real world, check any game, M1 gets destroyed by that 4 year old 1050 Ti GPU. For example, Shadow of the Tomb Raider 45 fps 1080p medium vs 26 fps on M1. You might say it's because of Rosetta (not that it makes any difference because probably most games will never be ported anyway, so Rosetta is all you get when talking about current games), but there's another game which has Apple Sillicon support - World of Warcraft. That one measures high 30s to mid 40s fps on ultra 1080p vs 58.1 avg fps on 1050 Ti. Comparisons are from userbenchmark.com regarding 1050 Ti and youtuber tests regarding M1. So all those claims "30 % better" were just a manipulative scam using benchmarks nobody cares about.
    - danaris 6y ago
      Do you have sources for those numbers? I'm curious about the M1's gaming performance, but I haven't yet seen any articles talking about it...
      - vmvarga 6y ago
        Shadow of the Tomb Raider on M1 : https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=238 https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=238 World of Warcraft on M1 (which is as good as it will get on Apple Sillicon because it has support, not emulated via Rosetta) : https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=192 https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=192 1050 Ti Shadow Of Tomb Raider: https://www.gpucheck.com/game-gpu/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti/intel-core-i3-7350k-4-20ghz/ https://www.gpucheck.com/game-gpu/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider/... 77 fps seems too high, mostly people on youtube seem to be getting ~45 fps, but it's still way better than M1's 26 fps. 1050 Ti World of Warcraft: https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-World-of-Warcraft/3882/188434.0.Max.1080p.0 https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-World-of-...
  - gruez 6y ago
    >The GTX 1050 Ti is still a current, sold product, selling for $250 or so USD That's very misleading. The card was released more than 4 years ago and has a MSRP of $139[1]. It's neither a current or expensive product. The $250 price is almost certainty because it's "rare", not because it's actually worth that much. See for instance, i7-6700k being sold for $279[2] when you can get a similar performing current gen i3 for $115[3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_10_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_proces... [2] https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-6th-gen-core-i7-6700k/p/N82E16819117559 https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-6th-gen-core-i7-6700k/p... [3] https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i3-10100-core-i3-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118138 https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i3-10100-core-i3-10th-gen/...
JoshTko 6y ago
Gamers Nexus audience is very niche - PC enthusiasts. Apple has a much larger demo that they are targeting.

my123 6y ago

Because those outlets never get Macs usually, and it isn't what they cover. Note that a laptop chip also isn't a gaming product, for obvious reasons.

fomine3 6y ago
Thankfully AnandTech received Mac mini unit from Apple, Thanks Anand now at Apple?
vvwvvwvvw 6y ago
Gamers Nexus also does CPU tests, when reviewing CPUs. Gaming benchmarks are an aside. Also if Apple's opening statement for M1 is that its industry-leading, then they should let these reviewers substantiate it, because that's what they usually review.

Tade0 6y ago

Because the GPU there is okay-ish, but not amazing - not really suitable for gaming.

bfgoodrich 6y ago
The power-sipping, integrated GPU has performance 30% better than a GTX 1050 Ti [1]. The GTX 1050 Ti is still a current, sold product [2], selling for $150 or so USD [3], and consumes about 75-100W in your PC. We can no true Scotsman this, but that GPU performance is a literal magnitude+ greater than what the majority of users have in their computers (and I am including full desktops in this discussion). The overwhelming majority of users are not paying $500-$1000 for a GPU (now add the 700W+ PSU, and what in effect becomes a space heater), which is the current going rate for the mythical gaming market. Is it intended for enthusiast gamers who have giant $1000 graphics cards sucking 300W? No, of course not. There is no surprise that Apple didn't send it to a guy who targets that crowd. But for the vast majority of people that chip would represent a pretty significant upgrade over what they currently have. [1] - Even in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, demonstrated purely given that it was running under Rosetta 2, it did quite decent. [2] - Current products from EVGA, Gigabyte, ASUS and others feature the GTX 1050 Ti, making it a current product. [3] - Which is a range, and above, that similar cards sell for. If you can time travel you may be able to get an equal performance level for less, but I lack time travel abilities.
- vmvarga 6y ago
  That was some Fake news using worthless benchmarks. It's not even near 1050 Ti in the real world, check any game, M1 gets destroyed by that 4 year old 1050 Ti GPU. For example, Shadow of the Tomb Raider 45 fps 1080p medium vs 26 fps on M1. You might say it's because of Rosetta (not that it makes any difference because probably most games will never be ported anyway, so Rosetta is all you get when talking about current games), but there's another game which has Apple Sillicon support - World of Warcraft. That one measures high 30s to mid 40s fps on ultra 1080p vs 58.1 avg fps on 1050 Ti. Comparisons are from userbenchmark.com regarding 1050 Ti and youtuber tests regarding M1. So all those claims "30 % better" were just a manipulative scam using benchmarks nobody cares about.
  - danaris 6y ago
    Do you have sources for those numbers? I'm curious about the M1's gaming performance, but I haven't yet seen any articles talking about it...
    - vmvarga 6y ago
      Shadow of the Tomb Raider on M1 : https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=238 https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=238 World of Warcraft on M1 (which is as good as it will get on Apple Sillicon because it has support, not emulated via Rosetta) : https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=192 https://youtu.be/Cu8gEq-Os_E?t=192 1050 Ti Shadow Of Tomb Raider: https://www.gpucheck.com/game-gpu/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti/intel-core-i3-7350k-4-20ghz/ https://www.gpucheck.com/game-gpu/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider/... 77 fps seems too high, mostly people on youtube seem to be getting ~45 fps, but it's still way better than M1's 26 fps. 1050 Ti World of Warcraft: https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-World-of-Warcraft/3882/188434.0.Max.1080p.0 https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-World-of-...
- gruez 6y ago
  >The GTX 1050 Ti is still a current, sold product, selling for $250 or so USD That's very misleading. The card was released more than 4 years ago and has a MSRP of $139[1]. It's neither a current or expensive product. The $250 price is almost certainty because it's "rare", not because it's actually worth that much. See for instance, i7-6700k being sold for $279[2] when you can get a similar performing current gen i3 for $115[3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_10_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_proces... [2] https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-6th-gen-core-i7-6700k/p/N82E16819117559 https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-6th-gen-core-i7-6700k/p... [3] https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i3-10100-core-i3-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118138 https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i3-10100-core-i3-10th-gen/...

JoshTko 6y ago

Gamers Nexus audience is very niche - PC enthusiasts. Apple has a much larger demo that they are targeting.