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The author clearly and obviously has no clue about M1. Calling its performance a "marginal improvement" is laughable. The entire article reads as a desperate at

by Bud 6y ago

The author clearly and obviously has no clue about M1. Calling its performance a "marginal improvement" is laughable. The entire article reads as a desperate attempt to distract people from the obvious advantages of the M1. I'd be desperate too if I were trying to pretend Android is a serious competitor performance-wise when the CPUs are 18-24 months behind and the gap is still widening.

holstvoogd 6y ago
They're just jealous and need to write 'apple bad' blog to validate to themselves why they are years behind ;-)
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  What if you're both right? They're just jealous but Apple really is bad?
  - snazz 6y ago
    I think that painting a multi-trillion-dollar corporation as "good" or "bad" is always disingenuous.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      Why? Care to explain? Because my answer was to > They're just jealous and need to write 'apple bad' blog to validate to themselves why they are years behind which doesn't even qualify as "bad irony"
      - snazz 6y ago
        Apple is made up of hundreds of thousands of employees. Their goal is to make money, not be "good" or "bad". Their individual decisions might be better or worse for certain groups of people, but Apple as a whole isn't really an entity that you can make a value judgement about.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        > Apple is made up of hundreds of thousands of employees And they can still be bad I could be fooled by your words when I was kid, unfortunately for me I'm too old to be fooled by rhetoric and propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Philip_Morris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Philip_Morris > Their individual decisions might be better or worse for certain groups of people And those can be criminal decisions. More often than not, multi trillion companies act like villains, they lie, deceit, bribe, threaten, they use all the tricks in the book. And people working there have no decisional power whatsoever, they are just clogs in the machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals Not rarely, their actions lead to innocent people dying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides > but Apple as a whole isn't really an entity that you can make a value judgement about. Then how can you make a judgment about China or USSR or Cuba or Iraq? There's a billion and a half people in China... By your logic it's impossible to make a judgment, right?
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        On the front page today (2020-11-24) "Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case" Coincidence? Probably not https://morganhilltimes.com/apples-head-of-security-indicted-in-santa-clara-county-ccw-case/ https://morganhilltimes.com/apples-head-of-security-indicted...
eertami 6y ago
>I'd be desperate too if I were trying to pretend Android is a serious competitor performance-wise when the CPUs are 18-24 months behind and the gap is still widening. I open WhatsApp on an iPhone XR. It launches instantly. I open WhatsApp on a five year old Oneplus. It launches instantly. Honestly who cares unless you have some niche use case or play mobile games. Having a class leading CPU isn't an advantage if it offers an indiscernible performance increase. What I do care about though is having a respectable battery life and useful features like a headphone jack. A brand new phone (iPhone SE) should not have worse battery life than a phone from 2015 with its original battery that cost half its price.
- zepto 6y ago
  If all you use is WhatsApp, then you really don’t need to care about Apple. There is a huge range of android phones that will meet your needs.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  The key is that it increases the size of the performance and energy budget. When you have a large budget, you can start doing interesting things. A friend of mine got some Samsung flagship(don't remember which one but something new and expensive) from this year, she's into Instagram filters whan she showed me some fun ones she likes I noticed that these filters have significantly slow FPS on live preview - something I am not used to see on an iPhone. I tried the same filters on the lowest end iPhone I have access to, which is iPhone 6s, and that device gave much much better FPS on the live filters of Instagram. This got me thinking, maybe the Andoid ecosystem is degrading the iPhone experience too? Probably Facebook is holding back on filter capabilities in the name of having the same features on all the platforms? If this Samsung flagship is not better than iPhone 6 in Instagramming, god knows what's the experience on lower end devices. BTW, TikTok filters have superior face tracking in my experience with excellent iPhone 6s performance. I don't know what's the Andorid situation on TikTok.
calyth2018 6y ago
It might be a marginal improvement for some apps running on Rosetta 2. Benchmarks from relatively trusted sites, such as Anandtech, suggests that strong native performance on most benchmarks, and at least competitive, if not slightly better, when emulating. The article is a bad argument to a conclusion that we already know, something that they can already do without putting out their own chips.

by Bud 6y ago

holstvoogd 6y ago

They're just jealous and need to write 'apple bad' blog to validate to themselves why they are years behind ;-)

romanoderoma 6y ago
What if you're both right? They're just jealous but Apple really is bad?
- snazz 6y ago
  I think that painting a multi-trillion-dollar corporation as "good" or "bad" is always disingenuous.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    Why? Care to explain? Because my answer was to > They're just jealous and need to write 'apple bad' blog to validate to themselves why they are years behind which doesn't even qualify as "bad irony"
    - snazz 6y ago
      Apple is made up of hundreds of thousands of employees. Their goal is to make money, not be "good" or "bad". Their individual decisions might be better or worse for certain groups of people, but Apple as a whole isn't really an entity that you can make a value judgement about.
      - romanoderoma 6y ago
        > Apple is made up of hundreds of thousands of employees And they can still be bad I could be fooled by your words when I was kid, unfortunately for me I'm too old to be fooled by rhetoric and propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Philip_Morris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Philip_Morris > Their individual decisions might be better or worse for certain groups of people And those can be criminal decisions. More often than not, multi trillion companies act like villains, they lie, deceit, bribe, threaten, they use all the tricks in the book. And people working there have no decisional power whatsoever, they are just clogs in the machine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals Not rarely, their actions lead to innocent people dying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides > but Apple as a whole isn't really an entity that you can make a value judgement about. Then how can you make a judgment about China or USSR or Cuba or Iraq? There's a billion and a half people in China... By your logic it's impossible to make a judgment, right?
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        On the front page today (2020-11-24) "Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case" Coincidence? Probably not https://morganhilltimes.com/apples-head-of-security-indicted-in-santa-clara-county-ccw-case/ https://morganhilltimes.com/apples-head-of-security-indicted...

eertami 6y ago

>I'd be desperate too if I were trying to pretend Android is a serious competitor performance-wise when the CPUs are 18-24 months behind and the gap is still widening. I open WhatsApp on an iPhone XR. It launches instantly. I open WhatsApp on a five year old Oneplus. It launches instantly. Honestly who cares unless you have some niche use case or play mobile games. Having a class leading CPU isn't an advantage if it offers an indiscernible performance increase. What I do care about though is having a respectable battery life and useful features like a headphone jack. A brand new phone (iPhone SE) should not have worse battery life than a phone from 2015 with its original battery that cost half its price.

zepto 6y ago
If all you use is WhatsApp, then you really don’t need to care about Apple. There is a huge range of android phones that will meet your needs.
mrtksn 6y ago
The key is that it increases the size of the performance and energy budget. When you have a large budget, you can start doing interesting things. A friend of mine got some Samsung flagship(don't remember which one but something new and expensive) from this year, she's into Instagram filters whan she showed me some fun ones she likes I noticed that these filters have significantly slow FPS on live preview - something I am not used to see on an iPhone. I tried the same filters on the lowest end iPhone I have access to, which is iPhone 6s, and that device gave much much better FPS on the live filters of Instagram. This got me thinking, maybe the Andoid ecosystem is degrading the iPhone experience too? Probably Facebook is holding back on filter capabilities in the name of having the same features on all the platforms? If this Samsung flagship is not better than iPhone 6 in Instagramming, god knows what's the experience on lower end devices. BTW, TikTok filters have superior face tracking in my experience with excellent iPhone 6s performance. I don't know what's the Andorid situation on TikTok.

calyth2018 6y ago

It might be a marginal improvement for some apps running on Rosetta 2. Benchmarks from relatively trusted sites, such as Anandtech, suggests that strong native performance on most benchmarks, and at least competitive, if not slightly better, when emulating. The article is a bad argument to a conclusion that we already know, something that they can already do without putting out their own chips.