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It was a masterclass in duping really. Step 1. Design the enclosure/thermals for a much lower TDP ARM chip, causing the Intel chips to thermal throttle and run

by pentae 6y ago

It was a masterclass in duping really. Step 1. Design the enclosure/thermals for a much lower TDP ARM chip, causing the Intel chips to thermal throttle and run hot as possible burning your lap and roasting your palms for years Step 2. Introduce the new powerful ARM chip which now runs much cooler and faster in the same enclosure Step 3. Profit! Worked on me, I just ordered mine

ramraj07 6y ago
That would hold water if people only compared it to intel Macs. Last I saw, most decent reviews compared it also to other mobile intel processors, so who exactly is in the group that's duping you?
- pentae 6y ago
  Don't get me wrong it's an amazing chip, but the Intels were never given a proper chance on the previous machines especially the MBA. If my previous gen machine wasn't a toaster I wouldn't be upgrading
zuhsetaqi 6y ago
As if. Intel clearly failed to deliver what they claimed. That’s the reason why we had to deal with such overheating issues not only with MacBooks
- pentae 6y ago
  I don't think it was Intels fault that they decided not to run a heat pipe to the fan on the previous gen MBA
quantummkv 6y ago
How is that a dupe? A dupe would be if the M1 chip was worse than Intel. If Apple can design a chip for those constraints and Intel can't, it's Intel's fault and problem
- username90 6y ago
  It's Intel's fault but it is a problem for all of us. It isn't good when a company gets too big in too many areas and tightly couples everything.
- yoz-y 6y ago
  Dupe is not a good word, but maybe disingenuous? Apple is touting silence now, but had the thermals of intel MacBooks been better they could be way less of hairdryers too. Apple could have also introduced better power controls for Intel Macs (now everybody runs Turbo Boost switcher). iMac Pro has shown that they can do better with same enclosure, I wonder if they could have done something with MacBooks too. They would probably have to sacrifice a few millimetres of thinness but I think the decreased noise and throttling would be more noticeable. That said, I don't believe there was any master plan behind this. They just originally prioritised thinness and battery size over everything else. With M1 they can have their cake and eat it too. Edit: Also they could have ditched Intel for AMD a generation or two ago and also improve on performance per watt.

by pentae 6y ago

ramraj07 6y ago

That would hold water if people only compared it to intel Macs. Last I saw, most decent reviews compared it also to other mobile intel processors, so who exactly is in the group that's duping you?

pentae 6y ago
Don't get me wrong it's an amazing chip, but the Intels were never given a proper chance on the previous machines especially the MBA. If my previous gen machine wasn't a toaster I wouldn't be upgrading

zuhsetaqi 6y ago

As if. Intel clearly failed to deliver what they claimed. That’s the reason why we had to deal with such overheating issues not only with MacBooks

pentae 6y ago
I don't think it was Intels fault that they decided not to run a heat pipe to the fan on the previous gen MBA

quantummkv 6y ago

How is that a dupe? A dupe would be if the M1 chip was worse than Intel. If Apple can design a chip for those constraints and Intel can't, it's Intel's fault and problem

username90 6y ago
It's Intel's fault but it is a problem for all of us. It isn't good when a company gets too big in too many areas and tightly couples everything.
yoz-y 6y ago
Dupe is not a good word, but maybe disingenuous? Apple is touting silence now, but had the thermals of intel MacBooks been better they could be way less of hairdryers too. Apple could have also introduced better power controls for Intel Macs (now everybody runs Turbo Boost switcher). iMac Pro has shown that they can do better with same enclosure, I wonder if they could have done something with MacBooks too. They would probably have to sacrifice a few millimetres of thinness but I think the decreased noise and throttling would be more noticeable. That said, I don't believe there was any master plan behind this. They just originally prioritised thinness and battery size over everything else. With M1 they can have their cake and eat it too. Edit: Also they could have ditched Intel for AMD a generation or two ago and also improve on performance per watt.