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Always one guy who shouts about control and submission. Don't like it don't buy it?

yipbub 6y ago
They're shouting at you not to buy it!
newbie578 6y ago
I bet there were people like you back when slavery was legal. If you don't like slavery, just don't buy slaves. Nothing wrong with that, right? YoU hAvE oPtIonS aS a CoNsuMer.
- Veen 6y ago
  It is in extremely bad taste—not to mention ludicrously inaccurate—to compare your premium laptop ecosystem options with chattel slavery.
  - a_imho 6y ago
    Aren't Apple devices assembled in sweatshops? The comparison might be more accurate than intended.
    - newbie578 6y ago
      No, you see Foxconn is the one building them, Apple only pays them.. Lol.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      No, Apple has a code of conduct all their contractors are required to adhere to,, and pays substantially more than market. Their jobs are so coveted potential hires wait in lines for days just for a chance at getting an Apple job.
      - a_imho 6y ago
        I'm not sure whether this is irony or not.
- resynth1943 6y ago
  > I bet there were people like you back when slavery was legal. It still is. Go research Apple's relationship with Foxconn.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Apples relationship with Foxconn has a lot more to do with providing safer and higher paid jobs to allow workers to escape brutal rural farm jobs. I’ve never seen anyone wait in massive lines for days just for the chance at slavery.
submeta 6y ago
This is a shallow argument that is repeated over and over again. - For those who invested a lot in hardware, software and know-how on Apple platforms, cost of change is holding them back from quickly jumping to other platforms. For them, Apple is a quasi monopole. For me personally, it would take quite some time changing platforms, and I am already planning on doing this, but it will take time. More importantly, Apple is a huge player that shapes the structure of the industry towards a vision that lacks any kind of freedom for its users. An end game where its users are just consumers, void of any freedom to do what they want with their hardware. This is not a bright future Apple is painting: Some sort of Utopia that we can take part of by giving up freedom, by accepting Apple's rules 100% or leaving their territory. I can understand that what Apple does appeals to many users. I still recommend Apple devices to my retired parents and to friends who do not want to fiddle with their hardware. But that folks here on HN are defending Apple's practices is way beyond me.
rfvrgvegbegn 6y ago
It's like saying "I like my polluting car, if you don't, don't buy one" "I like my t-shirt that has been manufactured with slave labour, if you don't, don't buy one" Can we stop with this naive "Let me buy one, if you don't like it don't buy it" ? This puts your immediate personal comfort over the common future of computing, technology, freedom, privacy, economy and more.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Wow what a bunch of non sequitors. Someone polluting the air impacts your life, someone choosing a different computer does not. Is someone in a third world country building goods for first world consumers “slave labor” or improving their standard of living by “pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps”. Methinks an accurate discussion is far more nuanced than you really want to have.

They're shouting at you not to buy it!

I bet there were people like you back when slavery was legal. If you don't like slavery, just don't buy slaves. Nothing wrong with that, right? YoU hAvE oPtIonS aS a CoNsuMer.

Veen 6y ago
It is in extremely bad taste—not to mention ludicrously inaccurate—to compare your premium laptop ecosystem options with chattel slavery.
- a_imho 6y ago
  Aren't Apple devices assembled in sweatshops? The comparison might be more accurate than intended.
  - newbie578 6y ago
    No, you see Foxconn is the one building them, Apple only pays them.. Lol.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    No, Apple has a code of conduct all their contractors are required to adhere to,, and pays substantially more than market. Their jobs are so coveted potential hires wait in lines for days just for a chance at getting an Apple job.
    - a_imho 6y ago
      I'm not sure whether this is irony or not.
resynth1943 6y ago
> I bet there were people like you back when slavery was legal. It still is. Go research Apple's relationship with Foxconn.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Apples relationship with Foxconn has a lot more to do with providing safer and higher paid jobs to allow workers to escape brutal rural farm jobs. I’ve never seen anyone wait in massive lines for days just for the chance at slavery.

submeta 6y ago

This is a shallow argument that is repeated over and over again. - For those who invested a lot in hardware, software and know-how on Apple platforms, cost of change is holding them back from quickly jumping to other platforms. For them, Apple is a quasi monopole. For me personally, it would take quite some time changing platforms, and I am already planning on doing this, but it will take time. More importantly, Apple is a huge player that shapes the structure of the industry towards a vision that lacks any kind of freedom for its users. An end game where its users are just consumers, void of any freedom to do what they want with their hardware. This is not a bright future Apple is painting: Some sort of Utopia that we can take part of by giving up freedom, by accepting Apple's rules 100% or leaving their territory. I can understand that what Apple does appeals to many users. I still recommend Apple devices to my retired parents and to friends who do not want to fiddle with their hardware. But that folks here on HN are defending Apple's practices is way beyond me.

rfvrgvegbegn 6y ago

It's like saying "I like my polluting car, if you don't, don't buy one" "I like my t-shirt that has been manufactured with slave labour, if you don't, don't buy one" Can we stop with this naive "Let me buy one, if you don't like it don't buy it" ? This puts your immediate personal comfort over the common future of computing, technology, freedom, privacy, economy and more.

valuearb 6y ago
Wow what a bunch of non sequitors. Someone polluting the air impacts your life, someone choosing a different computer does not. Is someone in a third world country building goods for first world consumers “slave labor” or improving their standard of living by “pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps”. Methinks an accurate discussion is far more nuanced than you really want to have.